2012 Draft - Who do you like?

[Bornadog]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

Looks like GWS and GC will pass on Brodie Grundy. If Melbourne don't want him, would we look at him:

Details are here

He is another ruckman, but so what.

[chef]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

I hope not. We already have 4 rucks(I expect Campbell to get upgraded) so it's really the last thing we need. I think he'll end up at Melbourne.

[Missing Dog]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

Looks like GWS and GC will pass on Brodie Grundy. If Melbourne don't want him, would we look at him:

Details are here

He is another ruckman, but so what.

I would be reluctant to take him as a top 10 pick, but that's just me. And as chef said, we have enough ruckman

[Missing Dog]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

It scares me that he is refered to as a "competitive beast" in the article, sounds familiar... I don't want a ruckman at this pick and hope we pass for midfield talent

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

1. Whitfield
2. Toumpas
3. Viney
4. Grundy (GWS) via mini draft pick

[GVGjr]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

1. Whitfield
2. Toumpas
3. Viney
4. Grundy (GWS) via mini draft pick

Do you think Melbourne will target Martin, Hogan or Kelly?

[Throughandthrough]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

What's your opinion of him T & T?

Saw him absolutely make some good defenders look really silly a few months ago when he kicked a lazy 8 against Glenelg. Is a BIG unit, plays as a leading forward and can kick straight.


Good enough for me!

PS talking to an "expert" re Grundy, he is rated highly for his elite speed for a big man.

[Maddog37]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

This sounds like the talk surrounding Redpath last year. Big unit, straight kick.

[ledge]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

This sounds like the talk surrounding Redpath last year. Big unit, straight kick.

Redpath is a big boy I think he will make it, a bit raw but definitely an upside.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

Do you think Melbourne will target Martin, Hogan or Kelly?

Hogan, I hope.

I must say though, with what I saw in the champs if we traded for MD2 and Melbourne took Martin, I wouldn't cry over getting left with Hogan.

[stefoid]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

If we were to go for MD#2, what would we pay? Not straight out pick #6... I would go for something like pick 6 and GWS's compo pick (#20) for our 2nd rounder (#27)

[Bornadog]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

I hope not. We already have 4 rucks(I expect Campbell to get upgraded) so it's really the last thing we need. I think he'll end up at Melbourne.

We must take the best available at our pick, and if that means another ruckman so be it.

Some people don't understand this concept but you have to think of it like this:

eg: Lets say we want a midfielder but the best available player at our pick is a Nick Natinui. The danger is we by pass Nick and pick up Clay Smith. That is the sort of thing that can happen. We should always pick the player we believe is the best footballer.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

We must take the best available at our pick, and if that means another ruckman so be it.

Some people don't understand this concept but you have to think of it like this:

eg: Lets say we want a midfielder but the best available player at our pick is a Nick Natinui. The danger is we by pass Nick and pick up Clay Smith. That is the sort of thing that can happen. We should always pick the player we believe is the best footballer.

Can't agree. For starters you are comparing pick 2 with pick 17.

Melbourne picked 'best available' and got Jack Watts. Surely Watts was a better comparison to Natinui than Smith?

No-one knows which of these kids will be the better player in 5 years time. You might have a vague idea, the big Fijian who can jump over the grandstand is likely to be a better prospect than the short kid from Gippsland who can't kick, for instance.


Think of the draft in groups.

Every draft there is a small number of standouts - these kids go in the first few picks.

Then there are the good solid prospects, depending on the year, somewhere between 10-20 perhaps.

After pick 25 or so the pool is vast and most of these kids don't make it.


Statistically, any kid within the same group has about the same likelihood of success as any other, it's impossible to predict who will kick on and who won't.

You don't use a first round pick on a kid you rate 30th just because he's the type you need, but make sure your list is balanced.

If we rate Grundy 6th and Gartlett 7th, take Gartlett. He's what we need and it's impossible to know who will be the better player in 5 years. Hell, even then we might still be arguing the point.

[Bornadog]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

Can't agree. For starters you are comparing pick 2 with pick 17.

Melbourne picked 'best available' and got Jack Watts. Surely Watts was a better comparison to Natinui than Smith?

No-one knows which of these kids will be the better player in 5 years time. You might have a vague idea, the big Fijian who can jump over the grandstand is likely to be a better prospect than the short kid from Gippsland who can't kick, for instance.


Think of the draft in groups.

Every draft there is a small number of standouts - these kids go in the first few picks.

Then there are the good solid prospects, depending on the year, somewhere between 10-20 perhaps.

After pick 25 or so the pool is vast and most of these kids don't make it.


Statistically, any kid within the same group has about the same likelihood of success as any other, it's impossible to predict who will kick on and who won't.

You don't use a first round pick on a kid you rate 30th just because he's the type you need, but make sure your list is balanced.

If we rate Grundy 6th and Gartlett 7th, take Gartlett. He's what we need and it's impossible to know who will be the better player in 5 years. Hell, even then we might still be arguing the point.

I agree with you SS, 100%, I guess my example was a silly one, but in the end you do take the best available at your pick, so as you say, there will be a bunch of players that are perceived equal in ability and you take the one that suits your needs.

However, if some reason there were 5 ruckman that are highly rated in the top ten, you don't just ignore them at pick 5 or 6, even though you may not need a ruckman for next season.

[Missing Dog]

Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

Saw him absolutely make some good defenders look really silly a few months ago when he kicked a lazy 8 against Glenelg. Is a BIG unit, plays as a leading forward and can kick straight.


Good enough for me!

PS talking to an "expert" re Grundy, he is rated highly for his elite speed for a big man.

Thanks T & T.

He's certainly got more runs on the board then Redpath anyway.