2012 Draft - Who do you like?

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  • Greystache
    WOOF Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 9775

    #301
    Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

    Originally posted by azabob
    Well it was a combination of him and Brogan.
    Right you are, and he's gone too isn't he?
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    • azabob
      Hall of Fame
      • Sep 2008
      • 15481

      #302
      Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

      Originally posted by Greystache
      Right you are, and he's gone too isn't he?
      Yep, I think he is now an assistant for them.

      Does Sheedy rate the ruck role?
      More of an In Bruges guy?

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      • Maddog37
        WOOF Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 3132

        #303
        Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

        I read somewhere Brogan may play on if needed.

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        • Greystache
          WOOF Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 9775

          #304
          Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

          Originally posted by azabob
          Yep, I think he is now an assistant for them.

          Does Sheedy rate the ruck role?
          He refused to play Salmon there who went on to be in Hawthorn's team of the century, so who knows.
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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            #305
            Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

            Originally posted by Superdog
            With Lake gone I think we'll take Plowman/O'Rourke on talent and Mayes will fall to Port which they'll love. We'll get some good players but I don't see our midfield speed getting fixed with the early picks which I had hoped for in Martin. Still should be solid but GC and GWS will own the flag for 10 years the way they've been set up. Their salary caps are the only things that may save everyone else long term. Grrrrrrrrr
            Exactly, I'm scared. Just read an article on the HUN and it makes pretty sobering reading. I'm all for the new teams being given some help but the armchair ride to a flag that the AFL has provided GWS especially, is outrageous. If you haven't read the article, here is a copy:

            GREATER Western Sydney will enter its second AFL season with 25 first-round draft picks on its list.

            GWS completed its draft coup yesterday, swapping 17-year-old West Australian key forward Jesse Hogan for picks 3 and 13 from Melbourne. It gives them selections 1, 2, 3, 12 and 13 at next month's national draft.

            Last year the expansion club had 11 of the first 14 choices. The growing bonanza has increased fears the league's 18th team will be fast-tracked to superpower status.

            Clever manipulation of rules regarding 17-year-old trades has fuelled industry-wide anger that the AFL's start-up concessions have been "ludicrously generous".

            Instead of swapping young guns such as Hogan for established AFL players, as had been anticipated, the Giants exchanged them for more top 10 draft selections.

            GWS has utilised another rule that gave the club control over 10 players who had previously been on an AFL list or had nominated for a draft. Through this they secured pick 12 from St Kilda on Tuesday for WAFL star Tom Lee.

            The free kicks go well beyond prized draft choices.

            The Giants will reap bumper salary cap concessions of up to $1 million a season for the next seven years - plus the same controversial cost of living allowance afforded to the Sydney Swans, worth $895,000 in 2013.

            GWS will also have a larger list than the rest of the competition until 2019.

            But GWS, led by football manager Graeme Allan, has made no apologies, saying it had executed its strategy to secure the country's best young talent.

            Clever manipulation of rules regarding 17-year-old trades has fuelled industry-wide anger that the AFL's start-up concessions have been "ludicrously generous".

            The AFL sought the help of a sub-committee to design the start-up rules, but former Adelaide recruiting boss Matthew Rendell said yesterday, "There wouldn't have been one recruiter in the AFL who would have agreed with it".

            "Their lists are extraordinary. We haven't seen anything like it," Rendell said.

            "They will have a whole team of first-round draft picks.

            "That's why we are seeing a frantic trading period at the top of the order.

            "(Rivals are) thinking if we don't win one in the next three years, we will be shut out for a long, long time."

            One respected talent chief yesterday said the Giants could be so dominant over the next decade they could wipe out some rival clubs.

            "This could be the death of some clubs," the official said.

            "That sounds over the top, but the gap between them and some of the others will be frightening.

            "They will have No.1 and 2 draft picks playing back pocket.

            "We will be getting them with pick 60 in the rookie draft from Sandringham.

            "The new clubs had to be successful, but the concessions have been an unbelievable mistake."

            Allan said the Giants were delighted with the state of their list.

            "That was the strategy from day one, at the start of last year's draft process, to get a lot of early picks," Allan said.

            "Stephen Silvagni and Paul Brodie have done that and the club is very happy and proud of their efforts.

            "We've recruited senior players as well, probably older (than was expected) but those under 17s we traded were highly valuable.

            "SOS (Silvagni) tried to get senior players but they weren't forthcoming.

            "To have five of the first 13 selections, on top of the 11 first-round picks we had last year, puts us in the position to build on an already exciting young list," Giants list manager Silvagni said yesterday.

            The 25 first-round picks on the GWS list will include four young stars taken using another special rule that gave them access to the best 17-year-old players in Australia last year, including Jeremy Cameron and Dylan Shiel.

            The club also has another unactivated end-of-first-round selection up its sleeve.

            Rendell said: "They have done a super job.

            "With all the concessions they haven't missed a beat. They've done a ripping job.

            "I can't think of a mistake they have made."

            Rivals have vowed to try to raid the GWS and Gold Coast list of any homesick or unhappy players.

            Gold Coast will boast 14 first-round picks next season.

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            • Remi Moses
              WOOF Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 14785

              #306
              Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

              Gone way over the top for mine.
              Think from 2015 for a decade we should just give them 5 flags each and forget about it .
              Created a monster and it will be interesting to see the interest levels for Vic teams in this state.
              Want to be careful they don't take things for granted

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              • Desipura
                WOOF Member
                • Mar 2008
                • 4344

                #307
                Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

                Bad, you love your stats. Is Hobdogs post the longest ever in the history of woof?

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                • azabob
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 15481

                  #308
                  Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

                  Originally posted by Desipura
                  Bad, you love your stats. Is Hobdogs post the longest ever in the history of woof?
                  If it is, it shouldn't count, he has copied and pasted a newspaper article...
                  More of an In Bruges guy?

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                  • Desipura
                    WOOF Member
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 4344

                    #309
                    Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

                    Originally posted by azabob
                    If it is, it shouldn't count, he has copied and pasted a newspaper article...
                    You can't half tell he lost me after the first word.

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                    • LostDoggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8307

                      #310
                      Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

                      Originally posted by Desipura
                      You can't half tell he lost me after the first word.
                      Sorry lads! Just thought it was an interesting article that should make us all a little frightened.

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                      • hujsh
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 11961

                        #311
                        Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

                        Originally posted by Desipura
                        Bad, you love your stats. Is Hobdogs post the longest ever in the history of woof?
                        I'd bet Lantern would have that honor.

                        Although there was the occasional James Cuming rant about who is a dud and why Eade was crap.
                        [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                        • Mofra
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 15116

                          #312
                          Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

                          Originally posted by Hobdog
                          Sorry lads! Just thought it was an interesting article that should make us all a little frightened.
                          It highlights just how ridiculous the concessions to GWS are - even moreso than GCS.

                          The mini-draft picks should have only ever been able to be swapped for players, not draft picks.
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                          • LostDoggy
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8307

                            #313
                            Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

                            Originally posted by Mofra
                            It highlights just how ridiculous the concessions to GWS are - even moreso than GCS.

                            The mini-draft picks should have only ever been able to be swapped for players, not draft picks.
                            Exactly Mofra, it is an absolute joke and will make a mockery of winning a premiership. I for one will have zero respect for GWS if they win the flag.

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                            • stefoid
                              Senior Player
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 1846

                              #314
                              Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

                              Originally posted by Hobdog
                              Sorry lads! Just thought it was an interesting article that should make us all a little frightened.
                              Well, if they are all that good, they cant pay them all market rates. All the other clubs need to raid them back in 2-3 years time.

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                              • Hotdog60
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 6018

                                #315
                                Re: 2012 Draft - Who do you like?

                                Originally posted by stefoid
                                Well, if they are all that good, they cant pay them all market rates. All the other clubs need to raid them back in 2-3 years time.
                                Wait for when these kids are free agents and in their prime at 25 - 26 years old and steal them then.
                                Don't piss off old people
                                The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...

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