Brian Lake to Hawthorn

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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JMac said no more trading we are done....phew. (I assume unless something great comes up ie not Dawes)

If this is the case then I guess that means that our interest in Koby Stevens has either waned or West Coast want too much.

[LongWait]

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Rubbish that we were railroaded. You can't be railroaded when you accept a deal without negotiating properly

Lake gave us an ultimatum: trade me now to the Hawks, or I'll walk in 12 months to them and you'll have to accept whatever the AFL decides to give you. That is almost verbatim what Marty Pask said on several occasions in the media today.

I feel pissed off about how this has transpired, but I'm not sure that taking an extra 20 days to do the deal with the Hawks would have resulted in a better outcome. You obviously see it differently, so we'll have to agree to disagee given that we'll never know who is right.

[azabob]

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Another odd thing is the way this trade is being described. IIRC We're not getting pick 21.

What makes you say that?

[azabob]

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Then they take him for nothing and we get a compensation pick from the AFL of most likely a 2nd round pick which funnily enough will probably be 20-25

According to a few scribes apparently due to his age it would actually be a bit higher than second round, more like late 3rd round.

[Grantysghost]

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How can we say what might happen in twelve months? Brian could've had an outstanding year, won the B&F, made AA. We have some late wins ala 2005 and there's hope again. He may have been re-invigorated and stayed. He may have been injured and retired. Who knows. I don't agree with the "twelve months he walks" line being used by his management. The deal stinks. The club needs legends. Whether Brian wanted out, or the club wanted him out to me it still feels wrong. First round draft picks don't necessarily equal success, we need to build a culture and you don't do that by trading your champs. Time will tell I guess, but right now I'm feeling a little disheartened.

[Dry Rot]

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What makes you say that?

I deleted that post - I realise I could be wrong but I thought we'd get pushed back by FA compo picks eg Goddard?

[azabob]

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I deleted that post - I realise I could be wrong but I thought we'd get pushed back by FA compo picks eg Goddard?

I think you are right, we can get pushed back through FA compo picks. Well that is my limited understanding.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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What's rubbish? Not sure what you mean.

I'm not sure that spending more time would have made a difference. Lake's management approached us last week and told us that Lake would be leaving us at the end of next season unless he was traded to the club of his choice this year.

Spending another three weeks agonising over this with Hawthorn may have resulted in a worse deal. It may have resulted in a better deal. We can't know the unknowable.

Perhaps Hawthorn had plans to use pick 21 to another trade and we had to do a deal quickly or they would commit the pick we wanted to some other cause. We are all speculating and may never know.

I don't think we were in a good situation and Lake is entirely responsible for that.

I think you've articulated the most likely scenario that has played out.
As much as I too think we've been put over a barrel here, the only other option was to keep a disgruntled player on the list and risk him causing disharmony amongst the team next year, and then losing him for nothing anyway.

[Topdog]

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According to a few scribes apparently due to his age it would actually be a bit higher than second round, more like late 3rd round.

so 3rd round, pick 38-43 then. So basically we did it now to go up from pick 27 to 21

[Maddog37]

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Brian definitely looked like he had lost interest in the second half of the season. Wouldn't be a major surprise if Bmac was not a massive fan of Brian's particular personality traits.

[LostDoggy]

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What is this rubbish about 'if he leaves next year we get nothing'? Did the saints get anything for Goddard?

As far as I can see Lake would have been an unrestricted free agent, which means no compensation. Goddard was a restricted free agent, hence the compo. Stand to be corrected though.

I am annoyed, but I do see the reasoning for trading Brian, it now gives us the flexibility to look around at other trades etc and see if anything comes of that as well as looking at another draftee. We have six picks inside the top 50.

From what I could gather it appears that Brian's manager approached Hawthorn and then went back to the Dogs. I dont think it was us that initiated the deal.

The only issue I have is that who the hell is going to play on the bigger power forwards? I hope that the midfield is going to put a lot more pressure on ball carriers to make sure that delivery into the forward line is not going to put the key defenders under pressure.

This draft is going to be the most important draft for our club in the last 10 years, so the football dept better get it right.

[always right]

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How can we say what might happen in twelve months? Brian could've had an outstanding year, won the B&F, made AA. We have some late wins ala 2005 and there's hope again. He may have been re-invigorated and stayed. He may have been injured and retired. Who knows. I don't agree with the "twelve months he walks" line being used by his management. The deal stinks. The club needs legends. Whether Brian wanted out, or the club wanted him out to me it still feels wrong. First round draft picks don't necessarily equal success, we need to build a culture and you don't do that by trading your champs. Time will tell I guess, but right now I'm feeling a little disheartened.

Do we need a culture that tolerates players putting the club over a barrel and insisting they only play in a certain position? Just saying.

[Bornadog]

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Seems footy has lost its soul in a way, the price of free agency. In my mind Brian was a club legend. Best full back i've seen (Rick Kennedy a close second), best and fairest and all australian. We are speaking in terms of trades and draft positions but i feel that more is lost in a move like this.

Can you imagine Essendon trading Dustin Fletcher in a similar fashion? They would burn down Windy Hill!

This ^^^

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Yep, but negotiations can go both ways. What if another club came in and offered an adequate, but lesser fullback for the Hawks 2nd round pick? Fast forward a year and the Hawks happily take Lake for nothing.

This is the brutal world of Free Agency, and we will just have to get used to gun players being traded with 12+ months to go on their contract, because losing them for nothing isn't an option.

Doing the deal today, puts us in a position where:

1) we now have an upgraded pick we can on trade should something else become available (who knows we may be able to facilitate a 3 way deal);

2) we can focus on our own list management and looking at potential draftees.

I see no harm in doing the deal early. The only concern I have is if the Hawks were to down grade their 1st round pick......

I tend to agree that just on the face of having a potentially disgruntled and disruptive influence on a young team next year is not what the club needs and the deal is better than that outcome.
I also think though that there was potential risk for Brian in threatening to just walk out for nix next year to the Hawks.
He could have an injury riddled season next year, or just as worse have a terrible year on the field. And then at the end of the season who is to say that a better, younger fullback became available that was of interest to the Hawks.
Finally let's not forget at the end of next year Lake would be rising 31 pushing 32. The possibility could just as well be that Lake could've found himself unwanted by season 2013's end
So I'm more leaning toward the fact that the club has decided to just move quickly and take the offer, rather than risk being stuck with a guy who doesn't want to be here anymore as opposed to the risk of losing him for nothing.

As for the Hawks downgrading their pick, surely our negotiators have made the deal contingent upon the pick being specifically pick 21.

[Desipura]

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What does that mean Desi?

You have made some assumptions in the past, that were not factual. I believe this is another one. I do not think Dawes will be picked up with our pick 21.
If he is, you can tell me "told you so" haha