Brian Lake to Hawthorn

[Bornadog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

BINGO! Those guys are more team orientated. Brian as great as he was, was always about Brian first, club and team mates second.....

You know this for sure do you? I don't know how anyone can actually say this

[Bornadog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

You have made some assumptions in the past, that were not factual. I believe this is another one. I do not think Dawes will be picked up with our pick 21.
If he is, you can tell me "told you so" haha

What assumptions have I made in the past that were not true?

[Grantysghost]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Do we need a culture that tolerates players putting the club over a barrel and insisting they only play in a certain position? Just saying.

If this is true definitely not. You would hope that everyone is pulling in the same direction, and that if a decision like that was made there would be buy in from everyone. Back to the culture i guess, it goes both ways. I just think there is a lot of conjecture and not a lot of facts other than one of our club greats is gone.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Six picks inside 50. In a very talented draft. Brave and decisive move by JMac and Dalrymple (leave Fanta out of it, he doesn't manage the list). It's the sort of move that allows you to build and secure a future for the club; a long term thing. Those who want a better return on a ridiculously expensive 31 year old soon-to-be has-been with issues should check if their reality meters are turned on and functioning properly. Brian was already gone, in more ways than one. He hasn't been a happy camper since Rocket's rockets hit their mark a few years ago. His best days at our club are long gone. He was a great player for us in his day, but he isn't now and wouldn't have been again - for us. He might have a slight return to form in the poo and p1ss jumper, but it will be a fleeting thing. In the meantime, we have freed up a massive chunk of salary cap and made room for another promising first round pick, hopefully a ten year player. As for negotiating for 20 days as some posters suggest... What for? The deal is done, and we are well placed if any opportunities arise, not locked into some three or four way house of cards sweating on last minute outcomes. Bring on the draft!

[LongWait]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Can you imagine Essendon trading Dustin Fletcher in a similar fashion? They would burn down Windy Hill!

Can you imagine Dustin Fletcher telling Essendon that he wants to be traded right now, otherwise he walks in 12 months time?

In this context, comparing Dustin Fletcher to Brian Lake is being disrespectful to Fletcher.

[Desipura]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

When was the last time a club traded a 31 year old player for a first round draft pick and a second round pick downgrade?

We traded pick 47 for Hall if I recall correctly.

I can't recall anyone doing such a deal. I honestly believe Brian was going through the motions this year, and could not see it getting any better next season.
In fact I made mention of this during the year that I thought the likes of Hargreave and Lake were playing without any incentive, almost like they were counting down the games towards the end of their careers.

[Mantis]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Brian definitely looked like he had lost interest in the second half of the season. Wouldn't be a major surprise if Bmac was not a massive fan of Brian's particular personality traits.

So B-Mac only gets through to players with certain personality traits?

Being a good senior coach requires the ability to work with different character traits... to be a good man manager, abilities B-Mac hasn't shown yet.

From a far it seems that B-Mac wants to work only with 'choir boys'.

[Desipura]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Gia playing forward and Roughy at FB are current examples.

I don't think there's too much of an issue at trading Lake out, but the return we got was poor and it's the first day of a 3 week trading period.

If Hawthorn are paying his salary next season, is it still a poor return for a 31 year old?

[Grantysghost]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Can you imagine Dustin Fletcher telling Essendon that he wants to be traded right now, otherwise he walks in 12 months time?

In this context, comparing Dustin Fletcher to Brian Lake is being disrespectful to Fletcher.

No I can't imagine a player doing that. The comparison was based on his position and status within the side.

[Desipura]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

What assumptions have I made in the past that were not true?

Do we need to go there? Current coaches, previous coaches. Let's agree to disagree.

[GVGjr]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

So B-Mac only gets through to players with certain personality traits?

Being a good senior coach requires the ability to work with different character traits... to be a good man manager, abilities B-Mac hasn't shown yet.

Agreed but one season isn't a great period to judge him on.

From a far it seems that B-Mac wants to work only with 'choir boys'.

Not sure I agree with this. He rated Steven Johnson highly and he was no choir boy.

[Desipura]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

So B-Mac only gets through to players with certain personality traits?

Being a good senior coach requires the ability to work with different character traits... to be a good man manager, abilities B-Mac hasn't shown yet.

From a far it seems that B-Mac wants to work only with 'choir boys'.

He likes Clay Smith, would you call him a choir boy?

[LongWait]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

No I can't imagine a player doing that. The comparison was based on his position and status within the side.

But that is exactly what Lake has done to us - Pask was crystal clear about this point today. Pask tried to spin it to have us believe that Lake is doing the right thing in wanting a trade now, because the alternative is he goes as a free agent next year.

[Bornadog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Do we need to go there? Current coaches, previous coaches. Let's agree to disagree.

Sorry you brought it up and once again want to make it personal.

I expressed my opinion that we will be putting up pick 21 for Dawes. Just make an argument against that, not just say because I said it it must be wrong?

[Bornadog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

But that is exactly what Lake has done to us - Pask was crystal clear about this point today. Pask tried to spin it to have us believe that Lake is doing the right thing in wanting a trade now, because the alternative is he goes as a free agent next year.

LW, do you really believe Pask - he is just spinning. There is more to this and we don't know the truth.