Brian Lake to Hawthorn

[Mantis]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Not sure I agree with this. He rated Steven Johnson highly and he was no choir boy.

In what respect? Sure he played up away from the club, but he is self driven and a hard worker at the club.

He likes Clay Smith, would you call him a choir boy?

Why isn't he?

[Eastdog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Just think this is an awful deal for us. It's not like we were pushed for room in the salary cap.

Maybe looking at it now we all would say its a very bad deal but down the track this most likely will be a win for us. Don't get me wrong Brian Lake is a champion player but he is not going to get any better and thats what they may have been thinking as well in doing this trade. It is very important though that we still hang on to experience because they will be the ones who guide our young players.

[GVGjr]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

In what respect? Sure he played up away from the club, but he is self driven and a hard worker at the club.

I heard him talk about Johnson and said while he was a difficult player the coaches were all behind him to work through his issues. I got the impression that if you are a hard worker he can look past some other less than choir boy traits.

[LongWait]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

LW, do you really believe Pask - he is just spinning. There is more to this and we don't know the truth.

I'm sure you are right BAD - we will never know all of the behind-the-scenes goings on.

I believe Pask when he says that he approached the Bulldogs and told them that Lake wants to go to the Hawks and we should trade him now or Lake walks at the end of next season. Pask has no reason to lie about that.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

But that is exactly what Lake has done to us - Pask was crystal clear about this point today. Pask tried to spin it to have us believe that Lake is doing the right thing in wanting a trade now, because the alternative is he goes as a free agent next year.

I heard that interview. I doubt its as simple as that. The club isn't beholden to the whims of player managers. They make their own decisions and don't think twice about cutting players when they are believed to be of no worth.
Bit harsh on Brian I think.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I'm sure you are right BAD - we will never know all of the behind-the-scenes goings on.

I believe Pask when he says that he approached the Bulldogs and told them that Lake wants to go to the Hawks and we should trade him now or Lake walks at the end of next season. Pask has no reason to lie about that.

Don't you think that, with Lake to be 31 years of age at the end of next season, that he and Pask were playing a risky game by stating they would just go the free agency route next year?

There is the risk that Lake could've had a shocker next, been injured or even worse a younger talented prospect becomes available for free-agency- and Hawks decide come season end of 2013 they are no longer interested in him.

[Desipura]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

LW, do you really believe Pask - he is just spinning. There is more to this and we don't know the truth.

Bad, do you know he is spinning the truth? How do you know if as you claim there is more to this?

[Desipura]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

In what respect? Sure he played up away from the club, but he is self driven and a hard worker at the club.



Why isn't he?

Do you think he plays like a choir boy?

[LongWait]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Don't you think that, with Lake to be 31 years of age at the end of next season, that he and Pask were playing a risky game by stating they would just go the free agency route next year?

There is the risk that Lake could've had a shocker next, been injured or even worse a younger talented prospect becomes available for free-agency- and Hawks decide come season end of 2013 they are no longer interested in him.

Wouldn't that scenario put us in an even worse position? We could expect nothing at all for Lake at the end of 2013 and would have paid him $650k or thereabouts for a crap season.

[Eastdog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Bad, do you know he is spinning the truth? How do you know if as you claim there is more to this?

Good point Desipura we don't know the whole story behind this. Would you say we most likely just sacked him.

[AndrewP6]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I've read through all these posts, some I agree with, some I disagree with. One thing's for sure, I'm stunned at this turn of events. McCartney has talked about building the club, well, that must also include the fabric. Good luck to the membership dept. trying to sell hope on the back of a team with a bunch of kids, no full forward of note and now no fullback.

So long Briza, you've been a hell of a player for us,and wouldn't be surprised if you get to salute next September.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Wouldn't that scenario put us in an even worse position? We could expect nothing at all for Lake at the end of 2013 and would have paid him $650k or thereabouts for a crap season.

I agree.
But it's also a nightmare scenario for Brian. I'm just saying that I don't necessarily think that another year is a long time, and that Brian may just as easily - had the club not just pulled the trigger on the deal- have ended up an unwanted player by season end next year.

[Mantis]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Do you think he plays like a choir boy?

Nope... but I was never talking about playing style.

[Doc26]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

The deal stinks. The club needs legends. Whether Brian wanted out, or the club wanted him out to me it still feels wrong. First round draft picks don't necessarily equal success, we need to build a culture and you don't do that by trading your champs. Time will tell I guess, but right now I'm feeling a little disheartened.

Whilst I'm struggling somewhat to rationalise why we needed to give up our pick 27 to make this deal happen can I at least share with you a snapshot of what our table, which did include some past greats of our Club, observed at the B&F last Saturday night from table Lake and Cooney who were sitting close by. I should preface this by stating that I'm questioning the cultural value rather than that of their football ability which is unquestionable.

Matthew Boyd, after being announced our three time Club Champion, was delivering his heartfelt acceptance speech whilst these two were totally engulfed in childlike behaviour playing iPhones.

This untimely, inappropriate behaviour did not go unnoticed from those around.

This from two of our supposed leaders who should be driving a culture that demands respect, ruthlessness and professionalism.

The observation was passed on the table that these two are just 'ferals'.

A small example maybe but gee it stood out as very disrespectful to someone who busts a gut like few others.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I just hope that the only reason we gave up pick 27 in this deal was to ensure that Hawks took 100% of Brian's hefty salary next year off our books.
I would hate to think that we are still left with any residual payments for Brian for ostensibly a 6 pick upgrade and a late second round pick.