Chris Dawes?

[1eyedog]

Re: Chris Dawes?

Yes he was whilst battling concussion. Yet he still outperformed Dawes best EVER year. Smashed it actually. Played 21 times,2 of those cut short by concussion and 1 where he was still clearly affected by it. Yet kicked 9 more goals than Dawes.

So yes I can't believe someone compared Dawes to Tippett

Never seen Dawes rip a mark like Tippett can. Tippett is 3 inches taller and quicker as well. Tippet always looks dangerous, Dawes doesn't.

[Throughandthrough]

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And tippett is asking for a million a year. Offer the crows griff roughy and wallis and we can have him

[1eyedog]

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And tippett is asking for a million a year. Offer the crows griff roughy and wallis and we can have him

Yeah he is def being paid overs no doubt

[Topdog]

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And tippett is asking for a million a year. Offer the crows griff roughy and wallis and we can have him

Not really the pointb but yes he will be.
Also not against him coming for pick 41, perhaps 41 & 47

[jeemak]

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Unfortunately tall forwards that can play a role cost more than other role players of different type at the trade table.

Pick 21 for Dawes is pretty much spot on, I would think.

[AndrewP6]

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Didn't McCartney go on record as saying that we wouldn't be active in the trade period (unless a high quality player was available at the right price). Dawes is a reasonable player but not what I would consider a high quality player. Therefore it appears that there are definitely mixed messages coming from our club in regards to what our strategy is.

Certainly did.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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He has to agree to come to us though, right?

Can't see him choosing us over Carlton or Melbourne. We aren't exactly an attractive proposition at the moment. Not many 24 y.o's would be eager to join a club just beginning a lengthy rebuild.

[LongWait]

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Unfortunately tall forwards that can play a role cost more than other role players of different type at the trade table.

Pick 21 for Dawes is pretty much spot on, I would think.

Dogwatch has done some interesting research looking at all of the key forwards the club has drafted and tried to develop over the past 20 tears or so. Since Chris Grant, the closest he could get to a success was Simon Cox (second best was Patrick Bowden!!) and I think the maximum number of games played by any of them was 58. 18 attempts, 1 dubious success, 11 fails and 6 still on our list.

If we want a key forward, we will have a much higher chance of getting a 100-gamer by trade or free agency.

[Topdog]

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Dogwatch has done some interesting research looking at all of the key forwards the club has drafted and tried to develop. Since Chris Grant, the closest he could get to a success was Simon Cox (second best was Patrick Bowden!!) and I think the maximum number of games played by any of them was less than 60.

If we want a key forward, we will have a much higher chance of getting a 100-gamer by trade or free agency.

Not if that player is Chris Dawes.

[LongWait]

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Not if that player is Chris Dawes.

Chris Dawes is a big chance to play another 100 AFL games. He'll almost certainly pass Simon Cox's 58 before he retires. It may not be with us, but I think you are very wrong in your assessment of Dawes. No star, but a very solid key forward and, so far, better than anything we've drafted since Chris Grant.

[jeemak]

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Dogwatch has done some interesting research looking at all of the key forwards the club has drafted and tried to develop over the past 20 tears or so. Since Chris Grant, the closest he could get to a success was Simon Cox (second best was Patrick Bowden!!) and I think the maximum number of games played by any of them was 58. 18 attempts, 1 dubious success, 11 fails and 6 still on our list.

If we want a key forward, we will have a much higher chance of getting a 100-gamer by trade or free agency.

One of few regrets I have about not posting on BF these days is missing out on dogwatch's posts.

There's not many top shelf forwards in the AFL, and it shows how hard it is to draft them and turn them into reasonable players.

The game has become so defensive and running oriented that forwards rarely have an opportunity to dominate contests on a one on one basis.

I think what needs to be taken from all of this, is we should be open to trading players in and be prepared to try our hand at top level talent when it presents itself in the draft.

To think we had our most realistic chance of reaching a grand final since 1997 without a genuine forward tall target. A player like Dawes in 2009 would have had a fairly solid impact.

[SonofScray]

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To think we had our most realistic chance of reaching a grand final since 1997 without a genuine forward tall target. A player like Dawes in 2009 would have had a fairly solid impact.

I have been thinking about this type of argument a bit. Most of my life as a fan there has been a lot of huff and puff around the quest for a gun FF, or CHF.

It has been an obsession in some ways. Yet, we've looked closer without one than we ever have with the guys we've traded for. You are just not going to get the type of white knight, gun forward we yearn for in a trade. It would almost be unfair to put Dawes through it. It mightn't be you or I jeemak, but a lot of Dog's fans will just expect too much from him. We are impatient with tall forwards. As soon as they are not Chris Grant, or Carey we want to make them backmen, or get rid of them.

[jeemak]

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I have been thinking about this type of argument a bit. Most of my life as a fan there has been a lot of huff and puff around the quest for a gun FF, or CHF.

It has been an obsession in some ways. Yet, we've looked closer without one than we ever have with the guys we've traded for. You are just not going to get the type of white knight, gun forward we yearn for in a trade. It would almost be unfair to put Dawes through it. It mightn't be you or I jeemak, but a lot of Dog's fans will just expect too much from him. We are impatient with tall forwards. As soon as they are not Chris Grant, or Carey we want to make them backmen, or get rid of them.

If we land Dawes it will be interesting (or depressing) to see how much expectation is heaped on him by our supporter base, most of whom it seems wouldn't have wanted him in the first place. A dropped mark here, another one there will create mayhem in the stands. The vitriol meter will be working overtime unfortunately.

Unless you get lucky like the Swans and land a player like Tippett through the trade period the reality is most gun forwards stay put and are unnatainable. For the rest of us, we have to settle on players like Dawes to become one of many forward targets.

If we were to land Dawes, I could imagine our forward line being very difficult to deal with on the proviso at least two of Cordy, Jones and Grant develop as we hope.

[Scorlibo]

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FF solution: stop playing Jarrad Grant as a flanker, he still has the stickiest hands at the club.

[Topdog]

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Chris Dawes is a big chance to play another 100 AFL games. He'll almost certainly pass Simon Cox's 58 before he retires. It may not be with us, but I think you are very wrong in your assessment of Dawes. No star, but a very solid key forward and, so far, better than anything we've drafted since Chris Grant.

Jones will be a better player than him IMO. And I say very confidently that a player that is selected between picks 21 & 27 will be far better than him too. I hope we dont deprive ourselves the opportunity to draft that player