Koby Stevens

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Koby Stevens

Is Vez a Bmac problem or an effort, habbit, maturity and ability problem?

I'm not sure either way.

I think it's pretty obvious it's not McCartney's fault given Eade and Roos couldn't get much out of him, either.

It's been well documented that his endurance is really poor. Beyond that, he's certainly not a defender.

If we keep him, he needs to play forward.

[jeemak]

Re: Koby Stevens

Yeah, I think I agree with you.

Though, the last part of your post probably poses a question about his management over the last year at least.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Koby Stevens

Yeah, I think I agree with you.

Though, the last part of your post probably poses a question about his management over the last year at least.

I think it was a worthwhile experiment playing him off half back. He's still young and inexperienced, plus he had struggled to have an impact as a forward. Although it ultimately failed, I see the merit in why we trialed it. On paper playing off the HB gets you more involved and he is somebody who likes to carry the ball and he can kick sixty metres. Unfortunately he can't defend, his endurance was still poor and he often bombed the ball to nobody in particular.

He's an accurate kick for goal from what I've seen and he's quick on the lead. Hopefully we throw him back up there, it's his only chance to make the grade.

[jeemak]

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I think it was a worthwhile experiment playing him off half back. He's still young and inexperienced, plus he had struggled to have an impact as a forward. Although it ultimately failed, I see the merit in why we trialed it. On paper playing off the HB gets you more involved and he is somebody who likes to carry the ball and he can kick sixty metres. Unfortunately he can't defend, his endurance was still poor and he often bombed the ball to nobody in particular.

He's an accurate kick for goal from what I've seen and he's quick on the lead. Hopefully we throw him back up there, it's his only chance to make the grade.

Unfortunately these are things you only really find out when you put somebody in the deep end.

My concern with his management in 2012 was centered around his lack of opportunity in a forward line that lacked effectiveness and potency. Having Gia, Dickson and Higgins being more effective in those areas was always going to count against him though, considering our tendency to play tall forwards otherwise. I recall him kicking a goal or two against the Swans when we got nailed by 90 pts, after playing back but not getting too many opportunities after that (happy for someone to show me stats that demonstrate he was after that game, though).

Agree he is better suited forward of centre. If he gets his tank up to a reasonable standard I think he could play a floating half forward role, though from what I've seen it's a big if at this stage.

For some reason though, I like him, and I want him to do well.

[ledge]

Re: Koby Stevens

No same player just getting more opportunity because we are a worse side and he suits the style of the coach.

He is actually at the perfect age to start showing his potential.

[G-Mo77]

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We have 8 off the list
Stevens and Hunter on
Campbell and Johannisen upgraded

Picks 5, 6, 22 & 44 (or 51).

Rookies are back to 4 this year so if Austin, Jong, Redpath and Greenwood are all retained, we would have no rookie picks at all.

I think we need to free up another spot on our list and elevate Jong as well.

Skinner should go.

Good point about the reduction of rookies listed.

It's been mentioned a couple of times by JMac that Redpath would be retained. I think 3 of the 4 should be elevated as well. If we can manage to offload Sherman or even Vez (BAD and I would both celebrate) and some late delistings (Skinner, Panos) then we could elevate all 4 rookies that played last season. If we get Stevens we'd still get to take 5 or 6 picks in the National Draft and have 2 rookie selections assuming Greenwood is retained in that scenario.

[Hotdog60]

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Good point about the reduction of rookies listed.

It's been mentioned a couple of times by JMac that Redpath would be retained. I think 3 of the 4 should be elevated as well. If we can manage to offload Sherman or even Vez (BAD and I would both celebrate) and some late delistings (Skinner, Panos) then we could elevate all 4 rookies that played last season. If we get Stevens we'd still get to take 5 or 6 picks in the National Draft and have 2 rookie selections assuming Greenwood is retained in that scenario.

Can we use picks 89,107 and 125 for rookies?

[G-Mo77]

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Can we use picks 89,107 and 125 for rookies?

Yep. It's my understanding another pick will open up even later in the 8th round if we have extra empty spots.

I'd like to go with 6 empty spots 5 picks and have 1 selection in the PSD.

[EasternWest]

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I see it the other way around. Austin gives us the opportunity to potentially use Williams as a forward whereas I think because we are chasing Stevens it is an indication that Jong needs another season as a rookie.

I'm with you GVG. The likelihood that we'll need to use Austin in the seniors is greater than if we'd need to use Jong. Plus Austin is probably good enough to play seniors, whereas Jong has areas he needs to improve. Don't get me wrong, I love Jong, and I think he'll make it, but he needs further development.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Koby Stevens

I think it's pretty obvious it's not McCartney's fault given Eade and Roos couldn't get much out of him, either.

It's been well documented that his endurance is really poor. Beyond that, he's certainly not a defender.

If we keep him, he needs to play forward.

Vez needs to do a 'Jobe Watson' and salvage his career.

[Mantis]

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Use pick 44 please Dogs.. We need players this age on our list. Has the body ready go, has shown he can play at the level and also has the potential to have a real break out year.

Noone will be left at pick 44 with the upside that Stevens has.

Reports are we are hoping to use pick 44 to trade in someone else.

[Bornadog]

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Reports are we are hoping to use pick 44 to trade in someone else.

any ideas who?

[1eyedog]

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Williams will play forward along with murphy next year

Well then we are in for an out and out s*it fight down back next season aren't we.
No Lake, No Morris, No Williams, No Murphy.

So it will be somethig like Roughie, Austin, Wood, Vez/Higgins down there?

Prepare for a 15 goal drubbing most weeks.

[chef]

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any ideas who?

Toy perhaps

[G-Mo77]

Re: Koby Stevens

Toy perhaps

That was my first thought as well.