Koby Stevens

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Re: Koby Stevens

Moving into his 4th year and he is hardly a walk up start to our best 22 going on his past efforts.

It's a bit like us getting Djerrkura isn't it?... In that he is a low 20's pick who struggled to get a regular berth in a good team.

He is rated by BMcC which is good enough for me. We need players who have been in the system for a couple of years to supplement the new draftees. The fact that we beat off both Essendon and St. Kilda to gain his services is a plus.

[KT31]

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I'm gonna go right off topic. I took the kids to the show on GF day. We walked in at 2pm and it worked perfectly. There was room to move, we didnt have to queue for anythng. we even parked close enough so that I heard most of the fourth quarter and see the last 15 minutes on TV at home.

I've never done anything really important on grand final day ever before. It was

My Oldman used to take me to the show GF day every year.
It was the shows last day and it wouldn't be so crowded.
Used to look forward to it every year.
Took my kids when we were still in Melbourne and the Show just wasn't the same.
Not like as a Footscray supporter I had anything else to do.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Whilst he isn't exactly what we need, I like him as a player. 41 should get it done.

Our inside midfield group is set for the next 8-10 years with Libba, Wallis, Smith and perhaps Stevens.

[1eyedog]

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He is rated by BMcC which is good enough for me. We need players who have been in the system for a couple of years to supplement the new draftees. The fact that we beat off both Essendon and St. Kilda to gain his services is a plus.

Maybe, getting him could be a poisoned chalice. he's been in the system for a few years but he's played a handful of games so what does he offer more than Wallis, Libba etc. that have played more games?

I think BMac over values harder inside players, that is evident by the fact that he went after Smith and now Stevens and why Grant, Sherman (who has been ordinary) and Vez are on the outer. Rather than developing these outsiders and looking at optimising their strengths he puts them back in the 2s to 'harden up', but being hard players may not be their go and their other talents are being wasted.

I've looked at a fair bit of footage of Stevens today from both Vic Country and the Eagles and I don't see anything to make me think that that he will get a game in the middle in front of Wally, Libba or even Smith.

I will probably be wrong but that's how I feel about it.

[LostDoggy]

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Being hard isn't just about winning the contested ball in the middle or at stoppages. It also means putting your head over the ball in the forward line, going when it's your turn and applying physical pressure all over the ground. Perhaps when BMac wants players such s Sherman and Vez to get harder, he is speaking about situations such as those I've just described?

[1eyedog]

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Being hard isn't just about winning the contested ball in the middle or at stoppages. It also means putting your head over the ball in the forward line, going when it's your turn and applying physical pressure all over the ground. Perhaps when BMac wants players such s Sherman and Vez to get harder, he is speaking about situations such as those I've just described?

I just think they are not hard at it players and BMac seems to have a very specific rule about this.

I guess all outsiders are expected to put their heads over the ball and apply a high level of defensive pressure. I know it's a basic requirement in the modern game but I hope he is not putting this expectation in front of these players when they may have other things to offer. He seems fairly hard-lined with his contested ball mantra.

[hujsh]

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mates having fun - chill

Do you know what relationship Grant has with Brodie Moles? Sounds to me like one mate taking the piss out of another. Lighten up.

Not really an issue IMO. Judging from their communication on Twitter, they're pretty good mates and were just having a laugh with each other.

They are all just kids and mostly really immature. Not sure what else you'd expect esp. on twitter.

I'll stand down then. (My reverse psychology to garner support for Grant having obviously succeeded)

It just seemed kind of too soon to joke about his career ending (he was delisted right?) but I don't really know Moles (as I said outsider looking in)

[Maddog37]

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Personally I think Vez is simply not fit enough and Shermo lacks focus.

[jeemak]

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Personally I think Vez is simply not fit enough and Shermo lacks focus.

This. Vez needs a big uninterrupted preseason. Big time, otherwise his career is finished.

[Doc26]

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So will our pick 44 cut the deal with West Coast for Stevens ? Seems to be a tad undervalued in the mid 40s.
We have a fair gap between our third pick (22) and our next pick (44).
Maybe some trade swapping as well with WC in later rounds to sweeten it although not a lot there to work with. Say our third round 51 for their 62.

Curious to know how we would've made trade room for Gumbleton as well IF he had chosen us.

[jeemak]

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We have pick 41 to use as well, and I'd think that would be pretty close to the mark in the end.

BTW, we actually picked up 21 for Lake, and downgraded 27 to 41 in a swap with the Hawks as well.

[jeemak]

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Sorry, just figured out you might be thinking post Goddard compensation, making 21 drop back to 22........

[Doc26]

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We have pick 41 to use as well, and I'd think that would be pretty close to the mark in the end.

BTW, we actually picked up 21 for Lake, and downgraded 27 to 41 in a swap with the Hawks as well.

I think you will find what was our 41 is now 44 given the new compensation picks announced today for St Kilda and Port.

Will or should 44 cut the deal for him on its own ?

[jeemak]

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Indeed, see above!

I think they have to realistic and understand we can't do any better than 44.

[Raw Toast]

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Moving into his 4th year and he is hardly a walk up start to our best 22 going on his past efforts.

It's a bit like us getting Djerrkura isn't it?... In that he is a low 20's pick who struggled to get a regular berth in a good team.

You could be right, but Djerrkura was going to be delisted (or very close to it) while Stevens was apparently a required player at the Weagles who wanted to come home and had at least two other teams competing for his services (Essendon and the Saints). Sounds like he is a neat kick and faster than treacle.

I know the Swans got badly done in the contested ball stats by the Hawks but their midfield seems pretty close to what BMac wants, and Hawthorn's is pretty similar (also, if the Hawks had kicked straight we'd probably be saying that they won the flag because of the grunt of Sewell, Mitchell and Lewis around the ball!).