Hrovat Appreciation Society

[lemmon]

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I think a lot of his poor senior form has to do with where he's being played. Why has he been pigeon holed as a half forward who takes a turn on ball rather than a genuine midfielder? I believe I'm right in saying as a junior he was a genuine midfielder/wingman? I watched him pretty closely against Brisbane and in the first half he played exclusively off half forward and while he worked hard he was never able to get much separation or work into dangerous space. I'd much rather he was played as a full time mid where we can hide his lack of pace and he is able to win his own footy. His skill by foot offers a point of difference and I see no reason he can't provide a nice linking option

[boydogs]

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Our current issues are not the small types but rather the rucks and KPP in the backline.

If that's how you see it, would you put Hrovat up for trade to secure a KPB or ruck?

Through a best available draft strategy and some successful selections and development we have too many smalls, so do we look to offload one for something we need?

I'm not convinced we need a KPB or that Hrovat should be the one to go, but I think that is how we should be thinking

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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Doesn't make sense from a list management view for 2015, there are other players that should be looked at ahead of him. I would be looking at all the small players at the end of next year and see where we are at.

Our current issues are not the small types but rather the rucks and KPP in the backline.

We need to be careful of going too small. Teams like Hawthorn, Swans, WCE and Fremantle tend to recruit stronger bigger types.
Our recent recruitments of Daniel, McLean, Webb and Dale now adds to the likes of Hrovat Honeychurch and Hunter, which needs a rethink for the future. We still lack as you have indicated a quality key forward and ruck man which should be a priority going forward. Hrovat has struggled for form and consistency this year and needs to lift.

[Mantis]

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We need to be careful of going too small. Teams like Hawthorn, Swans, WCE and Fremantle tend to recruit stronger bigger types.
Our recent recruitments of Daniel, McLean, Webb and Dale now adds to the likes of Hrovat Honeychurch and Hunter, which needs a rethink for the future. We still lack as you have indicated a quality key forward and ruck man which should be a priority going forward. Hrovat has struggled for form and consistency this year and needs to lift.

The players you have mentioned are all under 20 years of age so lets re-visit their body shape when they are all around 22 or 23 and have fully-matured.

Hawthorn had 6 players in their side under 6 feet on Sunday so height isn't everything.

Agree we need a ruckman, but we recently signed one of the most promising young forwards in the land to a 7 year contract, doubt we will be looking for another forward just yet.. To me, a quick & skilful midfielder is at the top of our priority list.

[Bornadog]

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The players you have mentioned are all under 20 years of age so lets re-visit their body shape when they are all around 22 or 23 and have fully-matured.

Hawthorn had 6 players in their side under 6 feet on Sunday so height isn't everything.

Agree we need a ruckman, but we recently signed one of the most promising young forwards in the land to a 7 year contract, doubt we will be looking for another forward just yet.. To me, a quick & skilful midfielder is at the top of our priority list.

I still think we need a big Key backman. Roughead didn't really work out as a backman and is more suited to a ruck role, or second ruck. We saw on Saturday that both Roberts( 196) and Talia (194) were too small for the likes of Lynch (199cm) and Dixon (200cm)

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Doesn't make sense from a list management view for 2015, there are other players that should be looked at ahead of him. I would be looking at all the small players at the end of next year and see where we are at.

Our current issues are not the small types but rather the rucks and KPP in the backline.

Yes, but to get a KPD, you need to cough up something of quality - somebody like Hrovat.

[Bornadog]

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Yes, but to get a KPD, you need to cough up something of quality - somebody like Hrovat.

or just recruit and build on what you have.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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or just recruit and build on what you have.

We need a mature age defender in the 21-26 y.o age bracket. Doesn't mean we can't still draft one, but we'll want somebody who can start immediately having an impact that can improve our list (and our premiership chances) from 2016.

[Ozza]

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I still think we need a big Key backman. Roughead didn't really work out as a backman and is more suited to a ruck role, or second ruck. We saw on Saturday that both Roberts( 196) and Talia (194) were too small for the likes of Lynch (199cm) and Dixon (200cm)

We must watch a different Roughead!

[Greystache]

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We must watch a different Roughead!

Agree. I don't get the constant suggestions Roughead has been a better ruckman than he was a defender, or that he's a natural forward being played out of position. In his AFL career so far he's been an average ruckman, a very poor forward, and a good defender.

For me he should be a defender who pinch hits in the ruck to give the primary ruckman a break. What we need is a primary ruckman.

[Ozza]

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Agree. I don't get the constant suggestions Roughead has been a better ruckman than he was a defender, or that he's a natural forward being played out of position. In his AFL career so far he's been an average ruckman, a very poor forward, and a good defender.

For me he should be a defender who pinch hits in the ruck to give the primary ruckman a break. What we need is a primary ruckman.

Agree. Apart from the GWS match, Roughead has had zero other good games in the ruck. He's certainly not even had a good half as a forward - whereas apart from when he was under a shoulder injury cloud in the second half of last year, he has been a good performer in defence.

Roughie is the perfect fit to play on the 200cm type forwards. It is not really his go to be on the Riewoldts or Pavlich - but now that Roberts is establishing himself in that position, Roughead will not have to play on unsuitable opponents when (and if) he returns to his defensive post.

I'm looking forward to Tom Campbell establishing himself as our No.1 ruck. He can't be far off an opportunity if the VFL match from the weekend is any indication. He's moving so much better now. And imagine having a ruckman that can take a mark, and know what he is doing when he pushes forward.

[SlimPickens]

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Agree. I don't get the constant suggestions Roughead has been a better ruckman than he was a defender, or that he's a natural forward being played out of position. In his AFL career so far he's been an average ruckman, a very poor forward, and a good defender.

For me he should be a defender who pinch hits in the ruck to give the primary ruckman a break. What we need is a primary ruckman.

He could play the exact role Tregrove(? Spellling) plays at Port to great effect IMO. Our primary ruck situation is interesting and one I still hope Campbell can fill, otherwise the trade table is always an option but realistically the cupboard may be bare (maybe Leunenburger or Bellchambers).

[SlimPickens]

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Agree. Apart from the GWS match, Roughead has had zero other good games in the ruck. He's certainly not even had a good half as a forward - whereas apart from when he was under a shoulder injury cloud in the second half of last year, he has been a good performer in defence.

Roughie is the perfect fit to play on the 200cm type forwards. It is not really his go to be on the Riewoldts or Pavlich - but now that Roberts is establishing himself in that position, Roughead will not have to play on unsuitable opponents when (and if) he returns to his defensive post.

I'm looking forward to Tom Campbell establishing himself as our No.1 ruck. He can't be far off an opportunity if the VFL match from the weekend is any indication. He's moving so much better now. And imagine having a ruckman that can take a mark, and know what he is doing when he pushes forward.

Spot on Ozza.

Like Hrovat, don't won't trade him, think he'll still be a gun

[F'scary]

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I think we all need to remember that depth on the list is so important. The problem with Hrovat and a few others is that they may actually seek opportunities elsewhere if they feel they aren't getting enough games.

[soupman]

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Agree. I don't get the constant suggestions Roughead has been a better ruckman than he was a defender, or that he's a natural forward being played out of position. In his AFL career so far he's been an average ruckman, a very poor forward, and a good defender.

For me he should be a defender who pinch hits in the ruck to give the primary ruckman a break. What we need is a primary ruckman.

This post exactly.

I think having him in defence solves a few problems, and we have already shown that he can play as our second ruckman from that position. By having him in dfence and with Boyd and/or Redpath forward it means that we can get away with playing just one pure ruckman instead of having one pretend to be a key forward like Roughead and Cordy have tried this year.