Match Committee- Round 5 vs Geelong

[Happy Days]

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agree on this.

Softened your stance on Vez? (edit: this reads as snarky, I promise it's not)

[Maddog37]

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Couldn't agree more. Height doesn't = KPF, it is the hunger to compete that dictates whether or not a KPF will be successful. Brad Johnson was a better KPF than Cordy ever will be. And Stringer at 191cms will be a terrific KPF because he has that instinctive hunger and desire to compete that a Cordy currently lacks (and in all likelihood will never capture).

Cordy is still two years away from where he needs to be. He will no doubt struggle with his weakness overhead in the contest for a while longer but when he learns to jump at the ball he will be a nightmare matchup.

Lots of focus on his negatives but his positives are tantalising.

[Bornadog]

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Softened your stance on Vez? (edit: this reads as snarky, I promise it's not)

I have always said I want to see him succeed like any player pulling on the red white and blue. Personally, I don't think he will make it, but happy to be proven wrong.

Two weeks of good performances in the VFL, so lets see if he is up to it.

[Greystache]

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Cordy is still two years away from where he needs to be. He will no doubt struggle with his weakness overhead in the contest for a while longer but when he learns to jump at the ball he will be a nightmare matchup.

Lots of focus on his negatives but his positives are tantalising.

Not trying to be smart. I've heard lots of people talk about Cordy's unique gifts but haven't heard any explanation as to what they actually are? He's tall, he's ok at ground level but that's not much. I wonder what people think his unique attributes are that make him tantalizing above those of any generic tall kid coming out the the TAC cup.

[Bornadog]

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Not trying to be smart. I've heard lots of people talk about Cordy's unique gifts but haven't heard any explanation as to what they actually are? He's tall, he's ok at ground level but that's not much. I wonder what people think his unique attributes are that make him tantalizing above those of any generic tall kid coming out the the TAC cup.

I think you are being harsh on him. He has only played 17 games, lets give him a chance to mature as a footballer then decide if he is any good.

[Greystache]

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I think you are being harsh on him. He has only played 17 games, lets give him a chance to mature as a footballer then decide if he is any good.

How was I being harsh? I asked what people see at his unique gifts. You didn't provide anything other than he hasn't played much.

[Maddog37]

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Not trying to be smart. I've heard lots of people talk about Cordy's unique gifts but haven't heard any explanation as to what they actually are? He's tall, he's ok at ground level but that's not much. I wonder what people think his unique attributes are that make him tantalizing above those of any generic tall kid coming out the the TAC cup.

It is only my opinion and that internal signal that makes you think a player has "it". Even in country footy I have seen some clumsy big kids that could only be classified as triers become good senior footballers as they mature. They learn to time their leads, they learn to time their jumps and they learn to hold their marks. They naturally begin to use their big bodies to win contests. If they can run and jump too then they become someone that can impact the game all over the ground. Lastly if they have a bit of mongrel they can hurt opposition players physically.

All of these attributes many kids have in juniors and we take it for granted. When we see players without these attributes being consistently displayed we see them as duds. Enter Ayce Cordy and we think dud as he does not do the basic things as well as other players. I personally think he does all of the things you want. He just doesn't do them all together yet.

He has a good attitude and plays with passion. He also has very good skills. Lots to like and if his body holds up I expect a very good AFL career.

Just as an aside(and I do not want it) what do people think his trade value would be?

[Bornadog]

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How was I being harsh? I asked what people see at his unique gifts. You didn't provide anything other than he hasn't played much.

Maybe I am being harsh I just get the feeling from all your posts that you don't rate him and you don't feel he will be any good. Apologise if I got that wrong.

[Hotdog60]

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One question on Cordy is his shoulders which he has had a lot of problems with in the past.
Does this restrict his ability for reaching up for the ball?

[Ghost Dog]

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How was I being harsh? I asked what people see at his unique gifts. You didn't provide anything other than he hasn't played much.

As Ash Hansen says. His athleticism combined with his physical presence.
Saw it in the Brisbane game. He can take the game on. Sold a bit of candy. Crashed a pack to jag a kick back to Dickson. The thing that gives me hope are these little plays. Is'nt Kruezer a good model?

[Greystache]

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Maybe I am being harsh I just get the feeling from all your posts that you don't rate him and you don't feel he will be any good. Apologise if I got that wrong.

I haven't seen anything in the 4 or 5 years I've seen him play that's makes me say wow this guy has talent. If Ayce becomes a good player (and he may well do), to me it proves if a club is prepared to put 6 or 7 years of full time training and coaching into a player then pretty much any tall skinny athlete out of the TAC cup could make it so long as they're prepared to put in. The only difference is Cordy was a father son so was given the opportunity others may not have been.

[boydogs]

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I wonder what people think his unique attributes are that make him tantalizing above those of any generic tall kid coming out the the TAC cup.

Kouta-like ground level skills and athleticism from a 200cm player

[ReLoad]

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Kouta-like ground level skills and athleticism from a 200cm player

The only similarity between Kouta and Ayce Cordy is that they both live in Australia.

At the minute Ayce simply isn't living up to his name; he is known around our circles as the four of spades.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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Kouta-like ground level skills and athleticism from a 200cm player

Kouta like? Gee I really hope you're right there.

[Before I Die]

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I haven't seen anything in the 4 or 5 years I've seen him play that's makes me say wow this guy has talent. If Ayce becomes a good player (and he may well do), to me it proves if a club is prepared to put 6 or 7 years of full time training and coaching into a player then pretty much any tall skinny athlete out of the TAC cup could make it so long as they're prepared to put in. The only difference is Cordy was a father son so was given the opportunity others may not have been.

Or possibly it would prove that you haven't been looking closely enough.