Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

[Missing Dog]

Lloydy was on Footy Classifieds last night talking about the Doggies (for once). He had an interesting set of stats. We have won contested ball and clearances for most our games and yet our inside 50’s are pathetic as are our shots at goal. He then went through the long list of our regulars noting that other than Griffen and Dalhaus they looked pretty similar.

Maccer keeps going on and on about winning the ball and the stats show we are doing this. Lloydy suggested that the coach was short sighted and could not see that we needed to develop a strategy beyond merely winning the ball. This includes changing the player list to get more guys who can spread – presumably that means run forward once we win the ball to create some sort of forward movement.

I also note the dissatisfaction of Maccer with senior players over last week’s West Toast game. Was it a coincidence or are senior players getting sick of the same message for the same reasons as Lloyd states?

[wimberga]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

Lloydy was on Footy Classifieds last night talking about the Doggies (for once). He had an interesting set of stats. We have won contested ball and clearances for most our games and yet our inside 50’s are pathetic as are our shots at goal. He then went through the long list of our regulars noting that other than Griffen and Dalhaus they looked pretty similar.

Maccer keeps going on and on about winning the ball and the stats show we are doing this. Lloydy suggested that the coach was short sighted and could not see that we needed to develop a strategy beyond merely winning the ball. This includes changing the player list to get more guys who can spread – presumably that means run forward once we win the ball to create some sort of forward movement.

I also note the dissatisfaction of Maccer with senior players over last week’s West Toast game. Was it a coincidence or are senior players getting sick of the same message for the same reasons as Lloyd states?

Good post Pedro. Saw this last night as well and I have thought for some time that Lloyd would be good value to get down to the club to express his views as he is a straight shooter.

The data he presented was pretty damning but confirmed what we all know: we can win the ball, our problem is what we do from there.

IMHO, I think that the best way to learn (and teach) things is to concentrate on one thing, overcompensate and really get that ingrained, before slowly edging off. IE: In golf, if you have a big slice, start by correcting with a big hook then ease back until you hit it straight. If you also have problems hitting long and your grip, you dont work on everything all at once, you focus on one thing, get it right, then move on to the next correction.

In some ways, I feel like with our young list, this is what Macca is doing. 12 months of get the hard ball really makes us a tough team. Now that we can do that convincingly, he can begin to address other areas such as our spread. Macca has publicly spoken about the hard ball and thats why it gets such a focus, but he is no fool and I still believe that he knows whats required for us to win games and our spread will improve over the next 12 months.

[F'scary]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

In round 1 we looked like we knew what to do when we had it. But (and a pretty big but), we were not put under much pressure that day by a BL team that had severe, undiagnosed NAB Cup Premiership hangover syndrome. I think the issue is that we need to learn how to cope with pressure more. That fits in with the bad figures for our accuracy and turnover stats.

[jeemak]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

I'd take notice if more than 30 seconds was allocated to the topic so the discussion could be covered with some balance. That's why shows like this one frustrate me so much.

Lloyd basically told us what we all already know. It's probably the least insightful thing he's said in a long time.

[Bornadog]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

I'd take notice if more than 30 seconds was allocated to the topic so the discussion could be covered with some balance. That's why shows like this one frustrate me so much.

Lloyd basically told us what we all already know. It's probably the least insightful thing he's said in a long time.

Yep, no solutions presented.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

The stat is very interesting if teams at our level are being conclusively beaten in all aspects of their game but we are loosing whilst winning contested ball consistently. That would be seriously weird. It smells of over concentration in one area although as said above it could be the coach's focus just for the moment.

I don't have access to all these stats, in fact where do they come from? I wish they were in a SQL database because as a programmer then I could query them.

[Bornadog]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

The stat is very interesting if teams at our level are being conclusively beaten in all aspects of their game but we are loosing whilst winning contested ball consistently. That would be seriously weird. It smells of over concentration in one area although as said above it could be the coach's focus just for the moment.

I don't have access to all these stats, in fact where do they come from? I wish they were in a SQL database because as a programmer then I could query them.

http://www.afl.com.au/stats

[jeemak]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

The stat is very interesting if teams at our level are being conclusively beaten in all aspects of their game but we are loosing whilst winning contested ball consistently. That would be seriously weird. It smells of over concentration in one area although as said above it could be the coach's focus just for the moment.

I don't have access to all these stats, in fact where do they come from? I wish they were in a SQL database because as a programmer then I could query them.

It says to me that balanced playing lists take a long time to develop, and that certain non-negotiables can be present before an over-arching and more sophisticated strategy emerges.

I'm sure if we had the polish and pace on our list we'd be playing differently, but we don't. I get that we've topped up with players like Stevens and Lower, but we need to be mindful that we'll be losing Cross and Boyd over the next couple of years while other players listed by Lloyd will be replaced by developing talent over that time as well.

Bringing in quick and good users of the football as mature aged recruits is difficult, compared to bringing in midfielders like Lower and Stevens. They're rarely available at a reasonable price, so for the most part you have to do it through the draft.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

The Eagle anyone?

[Mofra]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

The question is - do people think this is all B-Mac will develop, or si he establishing a style of play that will take years to develop?

It seems at the momen the is getting the basics right, and will move the focus to other areas of gameplay when the non-negotiables are established.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

There are a number of things we need to improve on, but spread (both offensively and defensively) need to improve. I think one reason we looked good against Brisbane is the defensive spread, we were able to apply a lot of pressure to cause the turnover, which then meant we had numbers in good spots to receive and mount our attack.

Macrae, Hrovat and Hunter are all blokes who help in this area. Stevens is another.

I think we're aware of these areas of improvement but with the quality missing, combined with younger players still learning the ropes of positioning and when to run forward/back/cover the outlet we haven't quite nailed it yet.

[Missing-Dog]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

You have to win the ball before you can use it. He wants us to be the best at winning teh hard ball first, then he will work on how we use it from there on. It wont happen overnight, and certainly wont happen with such a young list very quickly, but I see glimpses from some of teh young guys taking teh next step.. Give it time and it will all come together.. Geelong are unbeaten because of this and still going strong, Macca knows whats needed and it will hopefully all come together in 2016! When Wallis has taken over from Boyd and Stringer / Jones are fighting it out for the coleman medal.

[The Pie Man]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

The question is - do people think this is all B-Mac will develop, or si he establishing a style of play that will take years to develop?

It seems at the momen the is getting the basics right, and will move the focus to other areas of gameplay when the non-negotiables are established.

I can understand and accept this - though I haven't heard that communicated from the coaching group publicly though.....which suggests I've either a) missed it, b) they won't present it as that, or c)* the 'correct way' they do preach publicly doesn't amount to anything much after winning the ball.

* I don't seriously believe there isn't a plan post winning the pill - just not sure why we're not starting to focus on this more given we're consistently winning the contested stats, which would suggest the 'non-negotiables' are becoming unconscious competencies.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

I feel that we are making progress despite the recent heavy losses. We have had serious injury issues to our more senior players.

Winning the contest is the first issue, but Macca addressed a meeting I attended in March and talked about being smarter with the footy. A lot of what he talked about was on show against Brisbane.

Unfortunately the injury toll has taken away experience and the young guys have not been able to withstand the pressure.

The fact that we are doing well in the contested stats indicates we are closer to being truly competitive than teams like Melbourne, who are continually smashed at the contest.

If we get our best side on the park we will improve.

[Mantis]

Re: Lloydy on Footy Classifieds last night

I feel that we are making progress despite the recent heavy losses. We have had serious injury issues to our more senior players.

Winning the contest is the first issue, but Macca addressed a meeting I attended in March and talked about being smarter with the footy. A lot of what he talked about was on show against Brisbane.

The fact that Brisbane applied very little defensive pressure allowed us to play the game on our terms, others teams haven't been so kind.

While we are far from a finished product it is very frustrating watching us turn the ball over with ease.. especially after committing bodies to winning the damn thing!

I hope to see improvement in this area over the remaining rounds, especially from players who have been in the system for a number of years.