Rate Simon Dalrymple

[Bornadog]

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Does that include rookies BAD?

Not including Rookies.

[ledge]

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Can we also not forget the ladder position of each year, it's ok to
Look at those figures but the lower you are in the ladder the more chance you have if getting good players.
3 preliminary finals compared to low on the ladder makes a big difference.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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The next two drafts will be critical and a good judge.

I do rate Dalrymple though, much more confident in our drafting than I've ever been. His 09 draft was terrible, but it was when we were in "flag mode" so there's no doubt philosophies have since changed. Not convinced on the 2010 draft either, but we were always going to pick Wallis, so it's a moot point. His efforts since then have been very good, although it could be argued that it would have been a little difficult to get last years wrong.

The true test is this draft and next IMO. If he drafts well, we will be a very good side in 3-4 years time. If he doesn't, we're in trouble.

[westdog54]

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Another way to look at the comparison between Dalrmple and Clayton is to look at the last 8 years, ie 4 each:

Clayton

2005 to 2008

Players Chosen 17.
Played AFL 16
Still Playing (for Bulldogs or otherwise) 11

Dalrmple

2009 to 2012

Players Chosen 18.
Played AFL 15 (although Prudden should get a game)
Still Playing (for Bulldogs or otherwise) 11

We can all carry on that this batch is better than that batch, but the true measure is whether they are still on an AFL list and playing senior football. Dalrmples batch may turn out to be better in the long run, but they are still too young to say they have really succeeded.

If anything, this measurement should work in Clayton's favour as players drafted from 05 to 08 should, in theory, have a higher probability of having played AFL.

The fact that 4 out of 5 of this years class have already debuted and showed signs of prosperous careers is an excellent sign. Can see Prudden getting his shot towards the end of the year. Add Talia and Smith to that and he's already up on points IMO.

I'm not in the group that is so unconvinced by Pearce either. He has work to do but I don't think for a moment he's gone at the end of this year. Dickson on the other hand needs to add some strings to his bow.

[LostDoggy]

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Schofield certainly had the talent to make it at AFL level, but like so many other selections in the period he was drafted we seemed to apply little focus to the type of person he was and how he would respond in an AFL environment like ours. Schofield, Everitt, Wells, Grant all have/had question marks over the mental application rather than their talent.

Hence the much maligned (by some supporters) “no dickheads” rule from BMac.

Interesting, Pendlebury did that last weekend and Mike was wetting his strides!
Time for the pipe and slippers Mike and hang em' up.

Damn. Sitting here in my pipe and slippers whilst I read that. Nothing wrong with a good pipe and some Broady Dress Boots mate…

[stefoid]

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Judging on the sub 40 picks (the most important ones), and excluding the F/S's , you can see an improving trend, I reckon.

It doesnt look like he has stuffed up a sub-40 pick since 2009. I reckon Mac has been a positive influence on him, and probably is himself influence a lot by Geelongs recruiter.

Id say he went from a 5 in 2009 to maybe a 7 to 10 in 2012. Stringer and macrae will be at least solid, which would give a 7.

We wont know how well we have done in 2012 until we work out if stringer and macrae turn out to be better players than vlastuin, wines, mayes and menzel. If Stringer and Macrae turn out to be clearly better than those other 4 blokes, id give dalrymple a 10.

[Mofra]

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We wont know how well we have done in 2012 until we work out if stringer and macrae turn out to be better players than vlastuin, wines, mayes and menzel. If Stringer and Macrae turn out to be clearly better than those other 4 blokes, id give dalrymple a 10.

It's going to be difficult to compare Stringer to that bunch, I really don't see him developing into an inside mid for a long time (if ever), more a high forward that can play tall and short. Macrae vs Mayes will be intresting to watch in coming years, Mayes having a fantastic debut season as is Macrae, Jackson coming from a little further back body-wise.

[Bornadog]

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Hence the much maligned (by some supporters) “no dickheads” rule from BMac.

Rocket had that policy and mentioned that many times.

I think you will find that the our club culture is based on this. Of course, you can do all the background checks in the world, and interviews and whatever and people can turn out differently. How many times does this happen in ones own work place. Young men can easily be lead astray (see Libba), but what makes a good club is how they deal with the situation and support the individual. I think we have done well over the years and ensured the public is not aware of anything and therefore not ruining our reputation.

[Greystache]

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Hence the much maligned (by some supporters) “no dickheads” rule from BMac.

Most clubs at least claim to have this policy, we did previously and still burned early picks on guys like B Murphy, Wells, Sherman, and others . The difference in McCartney's approach is just not appearing to be a dickhead is not enough, they need to convince us that they are genuinely a quality person with the desire to get the best out of themselves. So far in both drafts every player we've selected seem to have an excellent attitude.

[LostDoggy]

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Most clubs at least claim to have this policy, we did previously and still burned early picks on guys like B Murphy, Wells, Sherman, and others . The difference in McCartney's approach is just not appearing to be a dickhead is not enough, they need to convince us that they are genuinely a quality person with the desire to get the best out of themselves. So far in both drafts every player we've selected seem to have an excellent attitude.

Exactly. We've gotten serious about it, rather than paying it lip service. And yes, Rocket cannot be said to have done anything other than pay it lip service considering who we drafted during his tenure.

[The Underdog]

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Pot the F/S system all you like, but Libba for a 2nd rounder & Hunter for a 3rd are looking like spectacular value.

[LostDoggy]

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Pot the F/S system all you like, but Libba for a 2nd rounder & Hunter for a 3rd are looking like spectacular value.

We got lucky with Libba, in that we had two in the same year, so he might have gone first round but it didn't really matter, that was a formality.

[Bornadog]

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Exactly. We've gotten serious about it, rather than paying it lip service. And yes, Rocket cannot be said to have done anything other than pay it lip service considering who we drafted during his tenure.

Sorry this is uninformed and just trying to pot the previous coach.

How many times during Rockets tenure did we read about a player in the press playing up after hours? To me that is what the no dickhead policy is all about.

[comrade]

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Sorry this is uninformed and just trying to pot the previous coach.

How many times during Rockets tenure did we read about a player in the press playing up after hours? To me that is what the no dickhead policy is all about.

Clubs are great at keeping things in house.

Libba's drug use/late night activities would never have made the light of day if he hadn't passed out in a CBD gutter.

Rocket was great and you can't get them all right but we drafted more than a few dickheads during his tenure, that's just a fact.

[The Underdog]

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Clubs are great at keeping things in house.

Libba's drug use/late night activities would never have made the light of day if he hadn't passed out in a CBD gutter.

Rocket was great and you can't get them all right but we drafted more than a few dickheads during his tenure, that's just a fact.

The concept of a football club with no dickheads in it is laughable.