Rate Simon Dalrymple

[Bornadog]

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With that said from the 2011 rookie draft on, i.e Dahl and JJ there appears currency in the selections.

Rookie selections have been excellent with Picken, Dahl, JJ coming through in this period.

[Mofra]

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It seems with the exception 1999, Dalrymple is an upgrade on Clayton in pure drafting terms; I'm not sure how much input he has in trading but our trading last year I was very heppy with.

The first two drafts apper iffy at best although I'm still certain Wallis will eventually be a very good player for us. I don't buy the "he had early draft picks" argument regarding good performance - who would swap Hrovat, Macrae, Stringer, Smith and Talia for Ray, Walsh, Power, McMahon and Faulkner?

[Ghost Dog]

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Good post Mofra. Our hand has been forced a bit with injuries. Fortunately, the youngsters have stepped up and shown early promise, and in doing so, haven't left us wondering about any of our picks. Early ticks for the 2012 recruiting drive. Can't wait to see what we can add in 2013.

[bulldogtragic]

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I think this kind of discussion is the perfect antidote to watching a loss on the weekend. Yes, we're struggling, but gee we've drafted really well, and whilst the present may be murky, the future is bright.

Looking at each individual list, I'd put 2009 down to Dalrymple being new to the role, we were in a different headspace then, pushing for a shot at the flag. It's still a stinker, but something I don't think would really haunt him that much. You'd have preferred he got it right but can forgive.

2010 is a bit different. We had the F/S, those boys pretty much picked themselves, and the rest of the draft was shot after that. That's two years running, and suddenly the hole in our list looks a little bigger, and will only get more so in the next two seasons.

So I'm pretty chuffed that Simon got it right with his 2011 draft, because let's face it, if he didn't we were up the proverbial creek sans paddles. Both Clay and Talia look the goods, Dickson the jury is still out on, don't know much/haven't seen much of Pearce.

2012. Wow. We'll be talking about it in ten years' time. And we haven't even seen Prudden yet. I still think Jake Stringer will end up being the best pick of the lot, long term, but at the moment it's all about The Rat, with Macrae a close second.

Like previous posters have said, if we nail the next draft or two we'll be alright. Hopefully we can sit here this time next year and comment about how 2013's draft was even better…

Wholeheartedly agree. I would have loved Port not to bid their pick 16 for Wallis, but that's not a criticism of SD.

[Doc26]

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Rookie selections have been excellent with Picken, Dahl, JJ coming through in this period.

I do agree although the Picken rookie selection was in the 08/09 draft year and from my reckoning pre Dalrymple taking over from Clayton as Recruiting Mgr. Further to your point, and now pushing two years on, I still don't mind the look of the rookie selections of Lin Jong and Tom Campbell in the 11/12 year rookie draft.

[Cyberdoggie]

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Struggled the first couple of years but the last two were a big improvement (since Macca has come along).

Very difficult for us to judge his performance because we don't know what his instructions are from the coaching staff and others.

It's a tough job as the buck stops with him regardless.

Last years draft has been big for Dalrymple. Four picks inside 50 helps but those first two picks certainly weren't easy. Stringer i guess picked himself but Macrae over Wines and others was a big call. Hrovat and Hunter are wins and even Prudden i think will play senior footy this year if he recovers from injury.

Overall i'd say he's doing well. This year like last is crucial. Lots of holes to fill, key forward, pacey midfield/defenders, good ball users.

[Ghost Dog]

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Struggled the first couple of years but the last two were a big improvement (since Macca has come along).

Very difficult for us to judge his performance because we don't know what his instructions are from the coaching staff and others.

It's a tough job as the buck stops with him regardless.

Last years draft has been big for Dalrymple. Four picks inside 50 helps but those first two picks certainly weren't easy. Stringer i guess picked himself but Macrae over Wines and others was a big call. Hrovat and Hunter are wins and even Prudden i think will play senior footy this year if he recovers from injury.

Overall i'd say he's doing well. This year like last is crucial. Lots of holes to fill, key forward, pacey midfield/defenders, good ball users.

Having seen Jackson play some senior footy, how do you feel about that decision now?

[Cyberdoggie]

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Having seen Jackson play some senior footy, how do you feel about that decision now?

Both excellent players, I think Macrae has more room for improvement being as he was so slightly built and will definately bulk up. Wines is a standout individual and inside mid, would of been perfect for Melbourne, still can't work out why they didn't pick him.
If we hadn't of picked Clay Smith the year before then we probably would of picked him.

I'm very happy with Macrae, he's not the toughest footballer going around but he will be delight to watch at full flight.

I think all 5 of last years ND picks are excellent pick ups. Best draft we have had in a very very long time, probably ever.

[LostDoggy]

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I think all 5 of last years ND picks are excellent pick ups. Best draft we have had in a very very long time, probably ever.

Go a long way to beat 1999

Murphy, Gilbee, Hargrave, Hahn, Gia - about a thousand games?

[bulldogtragic]

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Go a long way to beat 1999

Murphy, Gilbee, Hargrave, Hahn, Gia - about a thousand games?

Hahn: 176 games - 161 goals
Hargrave: 178 - 35
Gilbee: 181 - 105
Gia: 243 - 303 *no
Murphy: 242 - 165 *no
Wiggins: 12 - 5
Bowden: 50 - 55

Total: 1,082 games - 829 goals *no

(Trade: Eagleton 221 - 186, Bartlett 42 - 34, and PSD: Wills 10 - 6)

Total: 1,355 games - 1,310 goals *no from 1999 list management

(We lost Martin (Bartlett), Powell (Wiggins), Montgomery (& Pick 28 - Brent Guerra) (Eagleton) and Cameron (Hahn & Hargrave) who played 248 games at new clubs, kicking 178 goals (+ Guerra 236 - 105 *no)


Im not sure 1999 is a fair yard stick, this is crazy good. If any class can replicate this, the class of 2012 can!

Stringer, Macrae, Hrovat, Prudden, Hunter, Lower, Stevens, Young, Campbell, JJ, Goodes.

[Ghost Dog]

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Both excellent players, I think Macrae has more room for improvement being as he was so slightly built and will definately bulk up. Wines is a standout individual and inside mid, would of been perfect for Melbourne, still can't work out why they didn't pick him.
If we hadn't of picked Clay Smith the year before then we probably would of picked him.

I'm very happy with Macrae, he's not the toughest footballer going around but he will be delight to watch at full flight.

I think all 5 of last years ND picks are excellent pick ups. Best draft we have had in a very very long time, probably ever.

Interesting thoughts CyberD
Gerard Healy was spruiking some footage of JMac on Fox, doing the blind hand pass to Cooney, who goalled. Was totally dismissed by Mike Shehan. His call was " we see that sort of stuff every week from AFL players". Well, I'd ask Shehan to find some examples of fourth or fifth gamers having the confidence to make a pass like that.
Anyone else catch that segment?

What I like is his footy smarts and ability to make quick, sound decisions - very team oriented. Passes to advantage, composure in abundance, which is exactly what we need.

[Bornadog]

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Another way to look at the comparison between Dalrmple and Clayton is to look at the last 8 years, ie 4 each:

Clayton

2005 to 2008

Players Chosen 17.
Played AFL 16
Still Playing (for Bulldogs or otherwise) 11

Dalrmple

2009 to 2012

Players Chosen 18.
Played AFL 15 (although Prudden should get a game)
Still Playing (for Bulldogs or otherwise) 11

We can all carry on that this batch is better than that batch, but the true measure is whether they are still on an AFL list and playing senior football. Dalrmples batch may turn out to be better in the long run, but they are still too young to say they have really succeeded.

[Remi Moses]

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Both excellent players, I think Macrae has more room for improvement being as he was so slightly built and will definately bulk up. Wines is a standout individual and inside mid, would of been perfect for Melbourne, still can't work out why they didn't pick him.
If we hadn't of picked Clay Smith the year before then we probably would of picked him.

I'm very happy with Macrae, he's not the toughest footballer going around but he will be delight to watch at full flight.

I think all 5 of last years ND picks are excellent pick ups. Best draft we have had in a very very long time, probably ever.

I was staggered Melbourne didn't pick up Wines.
Toumpas looks ( early days) an outside type with nice skills.
Looks like he's still coming to grips with the pace of the game.

[Remi Moses]

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Interesting thoughts CyberD
Gerard Healy was spruiking some footage of JMac on Fox, doing the blind hand pass to Cooney, who goalled. Was totally dismissed by Mike Shehan. His call was " we see that sort of stuff every week from AFL players". Well, I'd ask Shehan to find some examples of fourth or fifth gamers having the confidence to make a pass like that.
Anyone else catch that segment?

What I like is his footy smarts and ability to make quick, sound decisions - very team oriented. Passes to advantage, composure in abundance, which is exactly what we need.

Interesting, Pendlebury did that last weekend and Mike was wetting his strides!
Time for the pipe and slippers Mike and hang em' up.

[bulldogtragic]

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Another way to look at the comparison between Dalrmple and Clayton is to look at the last 8 years, ie 4 each:

Clayton

2005 to 2008

Players Chosen 17.
Played AFL 16
Still Playing (for Bulldogs or otherwise) 11

Dalrmple

2009 to 2012

Players Chosen 18.
Played AFL 15 (although Prudden should get a game)
Still Playing (for Bulldogs or otherwise) 11

We can all carry on that this batch is better than that batch, but the true measure is whether they are still on an AFL list and playing senior football. Dalrmples batch may turn out to be better in the long run, but they are still too young to say they have really succeeded.

Does that include rookies BAD?