Time to Upgrade Big Jack

[Greystache]

Re: Time to Upgrade Big Jack

On the highlights package (and that is all I have to go on) Cordy looked a more complete player, who got the ball in the air and on the ground. His ball use also looked good.

And that's fine, but he's never looked close to doing that at AFL level. Williams rarely has either, so it's a zero sum gain either way.

We want forwards who can run and defend rather than get the ball, which is ironic because we want our midfielders to be the opposite.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Time to Upgrade Big Jack

And that's fine, but he's never looked close to doing that at AFL level. Williams rarely has either, so it's a zero sum gain either way.

We want forwards who can run and defend rather than get the ball, which is ironic because we want our midfielders to be the opposite.

By all reports (and occasional highlights) Cordy has played much better and more consistently at VFL level this season than at any other stage of his career.

Why is it not possible for him to bring that improvement to AFL level?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Time to Upgrade Big Jack

At this point I'm willing to try anything, so I won't be totally against Cordy playing.

Williams' name should be forever crossed off the list, perhaps it will be Cordy's opportunity next..

[bulldogtragic]

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Dead set depressing...

If you had told me before the season by the start of the second half of our season we would be hoping a rookie who has shown very little against good VFL opponents would be upgraded as to address any problems we had... I might have taken up another hobby over winter.

I'm not saying don't do it, or do do it - or good, bad or otherwise. I'm saying that a couple of dozen members are even debating this scenario is an indictment on some people not doing their jobs right. How can we get passed half way in the season and this be a serious consideration... Me, I think we are begging for something different, anything different so that we have some sense that all hope is not lost, we have one last card to play. In that trying to make a positive feeling somewhere around our club to make up for the feelings of lost hope for the season. Sad state of affairs...

[Greystache]

Re: Time to Upgrade Big Jack

By all reports (and occasional highlights) Cordy has played much better and more consistently at VFL level this season than at any other stage of his career.

Why is it not possible for him to bring that improvement to AFL level?

I've seen him live several times this season and I put his improved form down to the opposition he's been opposed to. This season he's regularly played on midgets who are also not very strong, so, much like when he was a junior, he can outstretch them without them being able to out body him. Anytime I've seen him matched up against someone remotely equally matched he's looked a very ordinary player, and at AFL level he'll regularly be equally matched. Williams is not much better, so as I said, I don't think it'll make much difference either way.

Getting back to the theme of the thread, Redpath at least has AFL pace and body strength, plus he can kick, so he's some chance to be able to step up to the level. We won't know for sure unless we give him 5-10 games, but sadly that looks unlikely to happen.

I'd play Campbell in front of all 3, but tackling ability is the key attribute we want from a key forward/2nd ruck, so we won't be seeing him any time soon.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Time to Upgrade Big Jack

We won't know for sure unless we give him 5-10 games, but sadly that looks unlikely to happen.

Makes it mystifying that we bothered keeping him on the rookie list, doesn't it?

I'd play Campbell in front of all 3, but tackling ability is the key attribute we want from a key forward/2nd ruck, so we won't be seeing him any time soon.

Ditto.

Cannot understand why we won't play Campbell - has shown he is more capable than both Williams and Cordy.

[Greystache]

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Cannot understand why we won't play Campbell - has shown he is more capable than both Williams and Cordy.

We want key forwards who can run (but only 1... 2 at a pinch) and midfielders who can't. I guess that's why I'm not a coach, because that seems to me to be the opposite of what we should want.

[Mofra]

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Cannot understand why we won't play Campbell - has shown he is more capable than both Williams and Cordy.

He's had two chances this year, and was not much value after quarter time in either game.

He will be our no 1 forward when Minson retires but I have my doubts about his value as a forward.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Time to Upgrade Big Jack

He's had two chances this year, and was not much value after quarter time in either game.

He will be our no 1 forward when Minson retires but I have my doubts about his value as a forward.

The entire team weren't much value in round one.

Campbell at least provides a target and structure - Williams and co. simply do not. Campbell can take a mark but more importantly can bring it to ground. Williams (and Jones) routinely run to the wrong spots, run underneath it or get out-marked. It seems the coaching staff have greater leniency for some, and harsher expectations for others.

Nobody is saying Campbell doesn't have deficiencies, but he should be playing for many reasons (structure, proper second ruck, his own development).

[always right]

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The entire team weren't much value in round one.

Campbell at least provides a target and structure - Williams and co. simply do not. Campbell can take a mark but more importantly can bring it to ground. Williams (and Jones) routinely run to the wrong spots, run underneath it or get out-marked. It seems the coaching staff have greater leniency for some, and harsher expectations for others.

Nobody is saying Campbell doesn't have deficiencies, but he should be playing for many reasons (structure, proper second ruck, his own development).

He crashes the packs and whilst that's not the answer to everything it is at least something you can start to plan around by making sure you have crumbers at his feet. Big guys draw a crowd.

[Bornadog]

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He crashes the packs and whilst that's not the answer to everything it is at least something you can start to plan around by making sure you have crumbers at his feet. Big guys draw a crowd.

Yes they do, bring on Jack

[azabob]

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Yes they do, bring on Jack

Well its not going to happen this week, considering the latest article you have posted.

[Bornadog]

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Well its not going to happen this week, considering the latest article you have posted.

I am disappointed Aza , we need some excitement up forward.

[Remi Moses]

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Well its not going to happen this week, considering the latest article you have posted.

Can it still happen?

[GVGjr]

Re: Time to Upgrade Big Jack

At this point I'm willing to try anything, so I won't be totally against Cordy playing.

Williams' name should be forever crossed off the list, perhaps it will be Cordy's opportunity next..

Why does Williams get a line crossed through his name?