Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

I am a believer that it up to the individual poster to determine whether he wants to introduce a negative or positive thread. Freedom of speech etc etc. Nevertheless my personal preference for threads on for example where we are going to finish, what draft pick we get,who we are going to go after and who will be trade bait or drop of our list is best discussed at the latter stages of the season. Just my preference. Who knows we might get surprise a few wins in the second half of the season which will put a different slant on a lot of poster's thoughts.

Thanks B4L. As to your last point it's exactly why I've posted it now. A running conversation and thinking about the journey over the remainder of the season is a good opportunity to question and assess things as they happen. Instead of waiting until a month out from some decisions where there is limited time or limited spread of opinion, talking over 3 months allows us to hypothesise scenarios or set a benchmark as to players, list management, ratios (etc). then if the wins or losses or how we play confirms or rejects our thinking then we have a considerably more detailed understanding of what's happening and can base our opinions on a more solid basis.

If and when we start winning, then the conversation changes but understanding the position as well as the counter position. The original pack bags thread started as a very negative thread, but when it finished it was actually a beacon of positivity to Macca. And when bumped solely on the basis of conversation, they've been 200 or so posts in very good thinking and discussing. The best case scenario is winning for the remainder of 2014 and not being close to the 18th spot.

(I started the 'vent here' thread a week or so ago. I wonder if the 4 pages of annoyed posts allowed some posters to vent in that thread and perhaps not express those views on other threads and thus not do it in others allowing for more free conversation because the frustration was vented outside other threads...)

[GVGjr]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Lets try and get back onto the original point of the thread and consider what we would do if we get an early pick. Do we trade it for other picks and players or do we try and excite the members by adding the best prospect available from this years talent?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Should've waited until after we play before making this thread, if we beat Collingwood we won't be equal last.

[boydogs]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Lets try and get back onto the original point of the thread and consider what we would do if we get an early pick. Do we trade it for other picks and players or do we try and excite the members by adding the best prospect available from this years talent?

Best available. No point trading for ready made players if we finish bottom 4

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Should've waited until after we play before making this thread, if we beat Collingwood we won't be equal last.

Its not going to matter as the cats are 12 Goals up against the Saints 3rd quarter

[azabob]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Best available. No point trading for ready made players if we finish bottom 4

I agree. But what happens if we are presented with a Dom Tyson scenario and we get another pick inside the top ten as well as very talented kid who is only 20-22?

[Bornadog]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Saints favourite to win number 27

Wooden spoon tally[edit]

St Kilda	26	2000
North Melbourne/Kangaroos	13	1972
Melbourne	12	2009
Hawthorn	11	1965
South Melbourne/Sydney	11	1994
Fitzroy	8*	1996
Richmond	7*	2007
Geelong	5	1958
Footscray/Western Bulldogs	4	2003
Essendon	4	1933
University	4	1914
Carlton	3	2006
Greater Western Sydney	2	2013
Collingwood	2	1999
Brisbane Bears	2	1991
Gold Coast	1	2011
West Coast Eagles	1	2010
Fremantle	1	2001
Brisbane Lions	1	1998
Port Adelaide	0	N/A
Adelaide	0	N/A

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Saints with 26 already. Bloody hell that's one ugly fact for them.

[Bornadog]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Saints with 26 already. Bloody hell that's one ugly fact for them.

Geelong 100 - Saints 17 - how embarrassing for them.

[azabob]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Saints with 26 already. Bloody hell that's one ugly fact for them.

And likely to get another 10 year key forward to boot. Life can really be cruel that way....

[F'scary]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Should've waited until after we play before making this thread, if we beat Collingwood we won't be equal last.

Exactly. Bring on the Pies.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

And likely to get another 10 year key forward to boot. Life can really be cruel that way....

They've done well with their drafts having very good talls, especially last bottom out with Kosi & Roo. Good foils for Gerhig and Milne.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Should've waited until after we play before making this thread, if we beat Collingwood we won't be equal last.

Nothing would make me happier, quite literally, than a win today.

[boydogs]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

I agree. But what happens if we are presented with a Dom Tyson scenario and we get another pick inside the top ten as well as very talented kid who is only 20-22?

I think that's more appealing if we're outside the bottom 4 and look like missing out on the elite KPF's in the draft

[Scorlibo]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

They've done well with their drafts having very good talls, especially last bottom out with Kosi & Roo. Good foils for Gerhig and Milne.

Yeah well Riewoldt has been the best key forward since 2000. By a big margin too.

Unfortunately, if we were to finish last (which we won't), there doesn't seem to be a Nick Riewoldt available. Just a whole bunch of Kosies! To be honest, from the bit of underage footy I've seen, Christian Petracca looks the standout. If we were to have the number one pick, I'd be inclined to engineer a trade for picks 6+7, or something like that. Alternatively, trade for a Patton and late first round pick. If Jeremy Cameron is really available, just offer pick 1 for him.