2014 Game Day Round 16 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs

[ledge]

Re: 2014 Game Day Round 16 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs

He also mentioned bonti not being the pin up boy. So this mantra of team is demanded at both ends of the spectrum. If we want to get tecnichal that could be having a go a bonti by not letting him become the pin up boy.

[Hotdog60]

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If Macrae gets a game this week and is BOG and his opponent gets diddy squat possessions was it a good move to say what he said.

Maybe we need to wait to see how things pan out. Maccas reputation is a very good teacher of players and gets to know them and their traits. This maybe other tool to get the best out of a young player.

I'm on the fence with this one.

[chef]

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A journo asked Macca why did Macrae who is averaging 25 disposals per game start on the bench and Macca answered honestly.

Yep, I thought it was great to hear the truth.

[G-Mo77]

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And the cries would have been that he therefore shouldn't have been played. People weren't happy that Macrae was the sub and I remain convinced that whatever answer Macca gave wouldn't have been acceptable for many.

I wasn't happy he was sub and you're right any other answer people wouldn't have been happy, I wouldn't have been happy but I would have preferred any other answer. He hasn't called anyone out at all and then decides to call out Macrae, a player who is in his second year? I think it was pretty weak to be honest. I'm still a little pissy that our best ball user was sitting their cold when we continuously kicked the ball to Geelong players for most of the game. That first quarter a classy ball user like Macrae would have been nice to have.

[GVGjr]

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I wasn't happy he was sub and you're right any other answer people wouldn't have been happy, I wouldn't have been happy but I would have preferred any other answer. He hasn't called anyone out at all and then decides to call out Macrae, a player who is in his second year? I think it was pretty weak to be honest. I'm still a little pissy that our best ball user was sitting their cold when we continuously kicked the ball to Geelong players for most of the game. That first quarter a classy ball user like Macrae would have been nice to have.

It's not the first time Macca has called out someone because I'm sure he mentioned the reasons why Talia wasn't being played earlier in the season when Morris was out injured but either way I think Macca has made an investment in the development of Macrae.
I'm also sure he wouldn't have done it if he didn't think Macrae will react in the right manner. I guess even good ball users don't get a free pass on the defensive side of their games. It should be a good message to all.

[G-Mo77]

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It's not the first time Macca has called out someone because I'm sure he mentioned the reasons why Talia wasn't being played earlier in the season when Morris was out injured but either way I think Macca has made an investment in the development of Macrae.
I'm also sure he wouldn't have done it if he didn't think Macrae will react in the right manner. I guess even good ball users don't get a free pass on the defensive side of their games. It should be a good message to all.

Yeah that's fine but there is a time and place to give that message and in a press conference after the game is not one of them. It come across to me a defensive answer to a a journalist who questioned his decision to sub Macrae.

On the topic all our players need to develop a defensive side but they've also got to be offensive as well. I'd hate to see this beaten out of the kid. We have our grunt midfielders who tackle hard and apply the blow torch defensively. Players like Macrae need to be there to finish off their good work not the other way around.

[azabob]

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If you read about or listen to Macca its all about the team and what your role is in the team, not about individuals. I can't see anything wrong with his answer to the question.

Yep, and his response to the question included that if players don't do X, they put their team-mates under pressure on other parts of the ground.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Yeah that's fine but there is a time and place to give that message and in a press conference after the game is not one of them. It come across to me a defensive answer to a a journalist who questioned his decision to sub Macrae.

On the topic all our players need to develop a defensive side but they've also got to be offensive as well. I'd hate to see this beaten out of the kid. We have our grunt midfielders who tackle hard and apply the blow torch defensively. Players like Macrae need to be there to finish off their good work not the other way around.

An inside game and accountability are two separate things.

The way i see it is that Macca has used the public medium as a way of teaching Macrae. He has obviously - for weeks - delivered this message in private, but yet again Macrae did not adhere to it on Sunday. Accountability is very important. Relying on talent alone will not get the job done. Every player needs to be accountable else we get opened up. The AFL is fast becoming similar to the NFL where if one player loses their assignment the whole play is opened up.

[The Pie Man]

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People are going in way too hard over the Macrae comments. It was very honest from the Coach, probably quite stark in comparison to what we get most of the time in the AFL media but it ranks well below Eade's 'dumbest smart bloke' belittling of Minson a few years back which was disgraceful.

Clearly I forgot about that Minson quote. My previous statement's exposed

So is the sub role now a form of punishment? Should he have been given a full game at Footscray to work on these deficiencies?

I won't say much more on it - I disagree with a few of you very firmly on this

[Mofra]

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If anything this whole conversation shows how bland and boring AFL media has become.

A coach answers a question honestly and people spend days discussing it, yet whenever a coach just provides clichéd answers people whine about the lack of real information from AFL clubs.

You can't win.

[jeemak]

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I noted more frustration out of Bmac's presser.

- Not happy that we allowed to forwards to get goal side for a few easy goals in the first half (though some saw this as a strategy failure on his part)

- Frustrated by our ball use going forward and our inability to not give it up too easily, reference to Geelong's positioning suggested to me this was addressed prior to the game but we still fell for the trap

- Giving stern feedback to players (I think the Dahlaus effort on goal where we should have run it in with an advantage in the 3rd) for opportunities missed

A few weeks ago he mentioned in a press conference he is getting frustrated by seeing the same errors being committed, and I get the impression he's turning up the heat on the group.

[Bulldog4life]

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I back the coach in this situation. Irrespective whether its in public or private an AFL player can't be too precious when it comes to criticism. I am sure young Jackson accepts this. A storm in a teacup.

[SlimPickens]

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I back the coach in this situation. Irrespective whether its in public or private an AFL player can't be too precious when it comes to criticism. I am sure young Jackson accepts this. A storm in a teacup.

Agree, amazed at the response by some. We constantly hear how boring/predictable Maccas press conferences are, and now that he shys away from the script we get this response. Perplexing!

[bulldogtragic]

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Agree, amazed at the response by some. We constantly hear how boring/predictable Maccas press conferences are, and now that he shys away from the script we get this response. Perplexing!

I know i'm meant be some immortal enemy of Macca, but I really don't see the issue. I can't remember "potting" him about his media work because he's an acquired taste, and I quite like that about him. What does shit me is the puff pieces about all and sundry being fantastic when clearly we have some issues, and that's not really down to Macca at my guess. I can't speak for anyone else, but when we ask the coach to be honest and engage our members/supporters and when things happen let us in on the reason, even if we don't agree, it's a bit hard to then go him when he does. I can live with being told the truth, the truth isn't always positive or enjoyable, but i'd rather be told the truth more often than not.

Also, again with positiveness, Macca is regarded as the best development coach out there. Having spent 15 years just in the AFL system I'm betting he knows every personality type that footy has. So I would put money on Macca knowing Jack and that this lever needed to be pulled this week for him and maybe the group. Macca strikes me as a very intelligent with footy smarts and a deliberate coach and is looking for a specific response, Macca strikes me as a think first, then talk man. If you look at public comment from coaches this year with Riewoldt, then 11 goals on GWS, Boomer and then Hawthorn, Sewell since he's back, Carlisle (can't remember his back to form game) - there's not a lot of public criticism, but when there is it seems very, very targeted and the responses have been very, very good. On this basis that Macca knows Jack and group very well and with his experience, I will happily go along with Macca.



P.S. For all the bullshit 'BT hates Macca' comments that seem pop up every week, please feel free to quote this next time I ask any type of question where you wrongly insinuate (like the sub...) that I hate him. I don't, outside of some match day stuff he's still working on, I quite like the coach and more especially the man. Questioning things doesn't mean "potting" or death by a "1000 cuts", it just means I have the capacity for independent thought so I like to pose questions and sometimes disagree.

http://youtu.be/UEaKX9YYHiQ

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[The Bulldogs Bite]

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He hasn't called anyone out at all and then decides to call out Macrae, a player who is in his second year? I think it was pretty weak to be honest.

This is what is getting missed by most and I agree G-Mo.