Operation get Jake Carlisle

[GVGjr]

Re: Operation get Jake Carlisle

Why exactly?
Isn't Essendon's obligation to do the best thing by their club, and get the trade done for a player who has told them he doesn't want to be there?
And isn't the player manager's obligation to get a deal/contract done in the best interests of his client.

From what I've heard, the player manager was made aware of some footage on Tuesday night - when the deal was on the doorstep of being completed. Why on earth would he jeopardise the deal, when the details of what exactly is in the footage was murky?

I hate Essendon as much as the next man, but I really don't see what they have to do with this. Are they to be expected to halt the trade, and hold on to a player that doesn't want to be there, because at the 11th hour, footage emerges of Carlisle on holidays playing up?

I've got to say I'm surprised to some extent to read that you can't see the problem with the manager concealing that sort of information from the Saints.
Anthony McConville owns a business that represents a number of AFL players in a number of ways. There is no way it's in his long term interest to burn bridges with any club and wreck his name and yet if he was aware, Sedat is exactly right in that he should lose his license or accreditation. You should never allow the notion of "whats best for the client" to cloud your judgement in being fair minded with you business dealings.

The manager and Essendon won't want a time line of being informed of this to reflect badly on them.

[Sedat]

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You are assuming that Essendon know exactly what has gone on with Carlisle when he was in another country though.

Even if a player failed a drug test (which it doesn't appear he has) - clubs aren't even notified about in the first instance.

Where is the line drawn in 'failing to disclose information'? We're talking about a scenario in which they may have some rumours and hearsay.

I'm sure if St.Kilda feels that this fits in the 'failing to disclose information' territory, they will come out and have a crack about it. But I think you're making assumptions about, firstly, what went on, and secondly, what Essendon knew about it as being factual.

I did say 'if' in my initial post. If Essendon and the manager were both found to have known nothing about this footage, St Kilda can clean up their own mess as far as I'm concerned. However the timing of the story, almost immediately after the trade was formalised, does raise suspicions somewhat.

(I did also call them a dirty club but I stand by that claim irrespective of their involvement or otherwise in this issue )

[Ozza]

Re: Operation get Jake Carlisle

I've got to say I'm surprised to some extent to read that you can't see the problem with the manager concealing that sort of information from the Saints.
Anthony McConville owns a business that represents a number of AFL players in a number of ways. There is no way it's in his long term interest to burn bridges with any club and wreck his name and yet if he was aware, Sedat is exactly right in that he should lose his license or accreditation. You should never allow the notion of "whats best for the client" to cloud your judgement in being fair minded with you business dealings.

The manager and Essendon won't want a time line of being informed of this to reflect badly on them.

What is the obsession people seem to have with people getting sacked, or losing their accreditation - when a situation occurs?
Even IF McConville knew about the footage, had seen the footage, and knew categorically that Carlisle was snorting something illegal (ALL OF WHICH ARE UNCLEAR AT THIS STAGE) - do you think that this is worthy of someone losing their livelihood?
Everyone with a keyboard is seems pretty quick to put an end to someone else's livelihood like its nothing.
There is a heap of assumptions about who knew what, and what has gone on. When you're talking about footage taken from a social media app', obtained who knows how - details are pretty murky. Lets say McConville is made aware of it late at night, prior to the trade happening, with limited access to his client, and the facts at the time - I don't think things are straightforward by any means.

[Ozza]

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I did say 'if' in my initial post. If Essendon and the manager were both found to have known nothing about this footage, St Kilda can clean up their own mess as far as I'm concerned. However the timing of the story, almost immediately after the trade was formalised, does raise suspicions somewhat.

(I did also call them a dirty club but I stand by that claim irrespective of their involvement or otherwise in this issue )

Finnis (Saints CEO) in his presser this morning has had no issue with Essendon in how this has come to light.

[GVGjr]

Re: Operation get Jake Carlisle

What is the obsession people seem to have with people getting sacked, or losing their accreditation - when a situation occurs?
Even IF McConville knew about the footage, had seen the footage, and knew categorically that Carlisle was snorting something illegal (ALL OF WHICH ARE UNCLEAR AT THIS STAGE) - do you think that this is worthy of someone losing their livelihood?
Everyone with a keyboard is seems pretty quick to put an end to someone else's livelihood like its nothing.
There is a heap of assumptions about who knew what, and what has gone on. When you're talking about footage taken from a social media app', obtained who knows how - details are pretty murky. Lets say McConville is made aware of it late at night, prior to the trade happening, with limited access to his client, and the facts at the time - I don't think things are straightforward by any means.

I don't think you are understanding how important the player managers role is within the AFL industry to not only represent and advise the players but to work with all clubs and to foster great relationships. These are important and complex deals so withholding relevant information isn't the right thing to do.
What we are saying is IF he was aware of this situation he had a duty to investigate this and to keep the negotiating parties informed and IF he has then failed to do that it's a blight in the industry and a reflection on his standing.
We shouldn't accept the notion you originally posed that he is just there to negotiate the best interests of the player.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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I find it unbelievable that the footage came out a split second after the deal was done.

[Bornadog]

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I find it unbelievable that the footage came out a split second after the deal was done.

Interesting to know who had that footage, who knew about it and what was the motive behind releasing it.

[Bulldog4life]

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If that is a strike for Carlisle I wonder if it his first? Bet Saints would love to know.

[bulldogtragic]

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If that is a strike for Carlisle I wonder if it his first? Bet Saints would love to know.

Great question. To lazy media people stalking this forum, can you find this out please?

[jazzadogs]

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Great question. To lazy media people stalking this forum, can you find this out please?

Do clubs get told about strikes, or only once the player has changed hands? From memory the club doctor is one of the few people that are informed...

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Operation get Jake Carlisle

Someone with far too much time has memes a famous scene from Game of Thrones to Carlisles first day at St Kilda. I don't have a link but it's mildly amusing as much as memes can be.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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Wow. Imagine if it's his third, and neither club knew.

[jeemak]

Re: Operation get Jake Carlisle

Wow. Imagine if it's his third, and neither club knew.

The club finds out after two, doesn't it?

Everyone else in the industry......aside from clubs of course.......finds out after one.

[azabob]

Re: Operation get Jake Carlisle

Grant Thomas calling for his contract to be torn up.

[GVGjr]

Re: Operation get Jake Carlisle

Grant Thomas calling for his contract to be torn up.

I can't see it happening but I wonder if he would have done as the coach.