Our Worrying Defence

[stefoid]

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^I've said for a long time BT that a big reason we've gone heavy on smaller types that can clearly play, and bolstered our list in this area is because we're ultimately going to trade one or some of them out once they've developed some currency and our finals tilt is drawn together.

My pick at this stage would be Dahl. He has developed the currency, but in my view is never going to be as polished with the footy as some of the others we have on our list, and sits at the closest to his ceiling in effectiveness. It's a tough call on him perhaps, but the deficiencies that held him back from being drafted are becoming more prolific as he takes on more responsibility within the team.

I might get pilloried for this point of view, but players of his size that can't finish by foot and who panic with the ball cost games.

As a mid, yes, but as a forward pocket he could be one of the best - dont forget he is Mr Pressure, a legitimate marking target for his size, and when he is close to goal, his decision making and field kicking arent an issue - hes a decent snap for goal.

[1eyedog]

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If you want to break the hearts of 10,000 kids trade him out. I agree we have a number of his type now, quick and aggressive, but it will be an almost impossible task convincing the club not to mention our young supporters that this is the right approach for the greater benefit of the club.

He's a marketing legend, he's over everything, and that is just if not more important than whether he is kicking at 65% or 85%.

[bulldogtragic]

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^I've said for a long time BT that a big reason we've gone heavy on smaller types that can clearly play, and bolstered our list in this area is because we're ultimately going to trade one or some of them out once they've developed some currency and our finals tilt is drawn together.

My pick at this stage would be Dahl. He has developed the currency, but in my view is never going to be as polished with the footy as some of the others we have on our list, and sits at the closest to his ceiling in effectiveness. It's a tough call on him perhaps, but the deficiencies that held him back from being drafted are becoming more prolific as he takes on more responsibility within the team.

I might get pilloried for this point of view, but players of his size that can't finish by foot and who panic with the ball cost games.

Seems we think alike. The marketing manager might not like it, but if the price was right then he's not free from trading. With Bonts, Stringer & Boyd I think we've got enough big name players to cover Dahl's appeal too. If I was another team I'd prefer Hrovat but a team needing a face to boost membership then Dahl would do. It's a tough business but Geelong got a dynasty with a big names trade.

[jeemak]

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I like his marking, it's his major point of difference against players of his size.

His set shot finishing and last mile kicking when playing forward is too much of a risk for me though.

This might sound cold, but supporters of AFL clubs young and old, move on pretty quickly, and if trading out Dahl is a part of our success then I'm pretty sure everyone will get over it.

[dukedog]

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I agree with statements about Dahl. But remember in this day and age a footy club isn't just about having the best players. Marketing gems control financials. Its just a fact of life. Dahl has too much upside. It would never happen. Unless the said player was unhappy and wanted to go.

[josie]

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I'd happily offer a first round pick and Hrovat for Carlisle as well.

Carlisle, Roughead and Talia as our three tall defenders would be a dream come true.

Not all of them are going to have a good game every week, and some of them are going to struggle with planned match ups which is why we need coverage in the area. As it stands now, we don't have enough flexibility down back to cover the best and most diverse forward lines.

If Hamling can come along as Morris slows down, and we had these backs at our disposal then of course you could throw Roughead and Carlisle forward from time to time depending on the opposition.

Me too, as long as we can pay Bonti, Stringer, Macrae, Dahl when they come out of contract in 2017/8.

[jeemak]

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I'd be pretty disappointed if any of our list management decisions were in any way affected by our marketing team.

The kids will follow the adults, after all, how else did they get into this mess in the fist place? If the adults are able to be reasonable about things, the kids will follow.

We'll just give them another hero to look up to and they'll be fine. Kids are fickle that way.

[ratsmac]

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After yesterday's Anzac day performance, I'm not too sure about Carlisle. He looked really slow. I know it was wet but he was slow. However, a player like Carlisle does help with our structure a lot. It would defs release pressure off of Roughy and the other backs. I would love to see Roughead used as the extra in the back line. He reads the flight of the ball well and has sure hands. Our first rounder and Hrovat is about right but I would really hate to see Hrovat go. Let them have Cordy!

[stefoid]

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Given Ryder went for 17 + 37, is Carlisle worth our 1st rounder (probably between 7 and 12), plus Hrovat?
Id say not. Particularly if the dons keep playing him forward and he has an average year.

If Carlisle says he wants to come here, we are in the box seat, and we should be able to offer a sub-10 pick alone. If they are super keen on a player, we should be able to do better than simply throwing in our 1st as well.

[josie]

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After yesterday's Anzac day performance, I'm not too sure about Carlisle. He looked really slow. I know it was wet but he was slow. However, a player like Carlisle does help with our structure a lot. It would defs release pressure off of Roughy and the other backs. I would love to see Roughead used as the extra in the back line. He reads the flight of the ball well and has sure hands. Our first rounder and Hrovat is about right but I would really hate to see Hrovat go. Let them have Cordy!

I did not watch the game, if he is no quicker than Roughy then perhaps not?

I listened to bit of the game on radio and the Bombers seemed to lack that a really high level of desperation/attack they are usually good at.

Does anyone else suspect that a few more of the Bombers players might be disaffected and want to leave at end of the year?

I like Hrovat and would also prefer to keep him if we can.

[Mantis]

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I'd be pretty disappointed if any of our list management decisions were in any way affected by our marketing team.

The kids will follow the adults, after all, how else did they get into this mess in the fist place? If the adults are able to be reasonable about things, the kids will follow.

We'll just give them another hero to look up to and they'll be fine. Kids are fickle that way.

And then trade them?

If we were looking at trading Dahlhaus I doubt very much we would have extended his contract or made him the face of the club for our young supporters.

I can't see it happening.

[jeemak]

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And then trade them?

If we were looking at trading Dahlhaus I doubt very much we would have extended his contract or made him the face of the club for our young supporters.

I can't see it happening.

If that's what it takes........

[stefoid]

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Anyway, back to defence .. the current ruck shenanigans indicate the coach is shuffling the deck chairs trying to find the best 1st ruck + ruck/forward combination. Maybe the view is that Cordy and Campbell are so bad as forwards, that from a team perspective, we would be better off with minson as a forward and one of those guys as first ruck?

If we were able to free up Roughead from his defensive post without sacrificing defence, our options in the ruck and ruck/forward department would open up vastly.

[1eyedog]

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If that's what it takes........

If that's what what takes? A premiership? Carlisle for Dahl and our first rounder? You're dreaming. Carlisle isn't worth it. He's an inconsistent mark, goes missing too often, is injury prone and has attitude problems. I'd rather chase Rance but I still wouldn't give up Dahl and our first rounder, plenty of others can do the job at a cheaper rate, Sydney with Grundy and Richards are a good example.

Dahl's a great player, two top 5 B&Fs, is only 22 and is the face of the club. I'm all for chasing a premiership but if you pull hard enough at the fabric of the club you'll tear it. If you start dangling one club players in front of other clubs when they don't want to go you're creating a poisonous, cancerous environment. You create a cut throat internal trade and exchange program the players take that as the bench mark and follow suit. Loyalty goes out the window.

You're underestimating just how much an effect what your proposing would have on the players and its supporters and your underestimating just how good Dahl will be and how critical he'll be when we finally get to Grand Final day.

[stefoid]

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what a game by Dalhaus!