Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

[Bornadog]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

So the significant out was Grundy.
Everyone else was fringe or worse except for those retiring.
How does that constitute a rebuild

You don't think clearing 19 players, plenty dead wood, is a rebuild. - Maybe a mini rebuild like we did in 2017, 18

We need to also get tough and make sure we do a good cleanout of players we don't think will really make it.

[bulldogtragic]

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So the significant out was Grundy.
Everyone else was fringe or worse except for those retiring.
How does that constitute a rebuild

Look at 2020 as the rebuild. 5 picks inside 30 then McReery & Ginnivsn who kicked 40 in his second year. Not to mention a fresh feel around the place. A new era, not the stale old one Ther was choking the life out of them.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

You don't think clearing 19 players, plenty dead wood, is a rebuild. - Maybe a mini rebuild like we did in 2017, 18

We need to also get tough and make sure we do a good cleanout of players we don't think will really make it.

They cleared deadwood and lost 18 players. Chugg is on the outs both years.

Most clubs are clearing 6 to 10 players every year.

The only players they traded out in those 2 years were Lynch and Grundy.

BT is probably right that there rebuild was actually the year before and caused by their salary cap issues

[Bornadog]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

Our delistings:

2022 - 8
2021 - 6
2020 - 9
2019 - 5
2018 - 10
2017 - 8

Other than 2019, we have averaged around 8

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

Our delistings:

2022 - 8
2021 - 6
2020 - 10
2019 - 5
2018 - 10
2017 - 8

Other than 2019, we have averaged around 8

2020 is a little misleading as with C19 rules we put Cavarra & Hayes straight into the rookie list and re-rookies Smith too. Not really delistings as list movements laterally.

So it’s more like 6.5 between 2019-2022. Which highlights we hold into fringe players.

[Bornadog]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

2020 is a little misleading as with C19 rules we put Cavarra & Hayes straight into the rookie list and re-rookies Smith too. Not really delistings as list movements laterally.

I took them out.
PS: just checked missed Cavarra so should be 9

[Bornadog]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

All well and good to say we can delist players, but the players we bring in are 3rd and 4th rounders and it is hard to find decent players.

At least this year we have some low picks that we don't need to use on FS/academy, so should get some talent that is needed.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

All well and good to say we can delist players, but the players we bring in are 3rd and 4th rounders and it is hard to find decent players.

At least this year we have some low picks that we don't need to use on FS/academy, so should get some talent that is needed.

You love McReery. He was a third rounder. Easton Wood was a third rounder. Lewis Mitchell the second last pick, with Larkey a few picks earlier. Frederick 4th rounder and Ham 5th.

We are not going to recruit them by holding onto players who can’t deliver.

[chef]

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Turning over players isnt the issue, its the ones we bring in to replace them. It seems a bit of rinse and repeat.

[Bornadog]

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Turning over players isnt the issue, its the ones we bring in to replace them. It seems a bit of rinse and repeat.

Well then that means our recruiters aren't good enough

[Bornadog]

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The other area we are conservative is taking a risk when recruting/trading for players. There are plenty of players that seemingly had off field issues but clubs have taken them on with success. eg Stengle

[bulldogtragic]

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Well then that means our recruiters aren't good enough

Fair question to ask. Who was the last really decent player not taken high - recently?

Off the top of my head Sweek, Raak, Khamis, NMM, McNeil, McComb, Hayes, Butler, Porter, Cavarra, Parker, Brad Lynch, Le Young, La Young, etc.

Are we going back to Bailey Williams or Caleb Daniel?

[Grantysghost]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

Fair question to ask. Who was the last really decent player not taken high - recently?

Off the top of my head Sweek, Raak, Khamis, NMM, McNeil, McComb, Hayes, Butler, Porter, Cavarra, Parker, Brad Lynch, Le Young, La Young, etc.

Are we going back to Bailey Williams or Caleb Daniel?

It's a good question. Who is the last non first round pick that's made a big difference to the team?

Gardner? Jones was 43. Maybe.

Swans best player was second round. Gulden. Academy but still no one bid early.

Dees have Spargo, Fritsch, Petty, Sparrow, Jordan etc all second rounders.

[Bornadog]

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It's a good question. Who is the last non first round pick that's made a big difference to the team?

Gardner?

Swans best player was second round. Gulden. Academy but still no one bid early.

we have some potentials that haven't made it to our best 22 - Cleary was pick#61, Garcia pick 62,

As BT asked how far back do we go - Bailey Dale was pick 45

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

It's a good question. Who is the last non first round pick that's made a big difference to the team?

Gardner?

Swans best player was second round. Gulden. Academy but still no one bid early.

Maybe we just can’t identify late talent like we used to?

Wood, Dahl, Boyd, Morris, JJ, Lake etc.

If so, it’s a problem because we then avoid drafting for fear of failure and stick to delisted players and VFL players instead. Neither have been a great source of bringing in talent.