Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

[Bornadog]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

Maybe we just can’t identify late talent like we used to?

Wood, Dahl, Boyd, Morris, JJ, Lake etc.

If so, it’s a problem because we then avoid drafting for fear of failure and stick to delisted players and VFL players instead. Neither have been a great source of bringing in talent.

I think this discussion is hitting the nail on the head

[azabob]

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Fair question to ask. Who was the last really decent player not taken high - recently?

Off the top of my head Sweek, Raak, Khamis, NMM, McNeil, McComb, Hayes, Butler, Porter, Cavarra, Parker, Brad Lynch, Le Young, La Young, etc.

Are we going back to Bailey Williams or Caleb Daniel?

To add context we need to allocate players to which era they were drafted Dalrymple, Austin or Milesi.

[Grantysghost]

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we have some potentials that haven't made it to our best 22 - Cleary was pick#61, Garcia pick 62,

As BT asked how far back do we go - Bailey Dale was pick 45

I think woof has worked it out.

We can't draft outside the first round...!

Someone check the top 4 sides and work out how many non first rounders are crucial members.

I did learn the other day the Lions drafted Schache at 2 when we got Dunkley at 25 (2015). They had their chance!

[bulldogtragic]

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1st:

Bont, Treloar*, Macrae, Smith, Naughton, JUH, Darcy, Weightman, Buss, Richards, English, Stringer (before off rails)

Yep draft high or go home.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

I'll do Pies.

2014
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Crisp was a bag of chips add on in the Beams trade, probably pick 25 is close.
Maynard pick 30
Cox rookie draft

2015
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Howe for Seedsman and Kennedy probably works out around a second.

2016
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Hoskin-Elliot traded for future second rounder
Josh Daicos f/s pick 57

2017
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Murphy pick 39
Mihocek (rookie draft)

2018
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Noble (mid season draft)

2020
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McCreery pick 44
Ginnivin (rookie draft)
Johnson (mid season draft)

2021
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Lipinski trade for pick 43

2022
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Frampton traded for future rd 3 pick.
Hill traded for future rd 2 (about on points)
Mitchell hard to work out but looks around a second or third as part of Henry trade.
Markov pre season supplemental

[macca]

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Its crazy they picked up Markov and his performing in the back half , rebound roll which Daicos was doing. This has allowed nick Daicos to play in the midfield . This was what i heard in one of the interviews with MaCrae this week.

Frampton is playing a roll

Thanks for collecting list of value picks by the pies , @Grantyghost

Collingwood is a first choice club for many playera

DO the pies have better training facilities than ours ?

[Grantysghost]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

Its crazy they picked up Markov and his performing in the back half , rebound roll which Daicos was doing. This has allowed nick Daicos to play in the midfield . This was what i heard in one of the interviews with MaCrae this week.

Frampton is playing a roll

Thanks for collecting list of value picks by the pies , @Grantyghost

Collingwood is a first choice club for many playera

DO the pies have better training facilities than ours ?

No worries it is bloody interesting to look at how they've built the list.

[josie]

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I thought Markov would be a good pickup for us - speedy and reasonable footballer

[anfo27]

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No worries it is bloody interesting to look at how they've built the list.

Its more interesting to see the style they play. I don't think people look at that list and go WOW! They watch them play & go WOW!

LET THEM PLAY!

Kids go out and play footy & express themselves. Its beautiful to watch. We draft players & indoctrinate them on process of style. We just about take all the natural instincts to play this game out of them, to the point they're robots. Then when the game is on the line with 3 minutes to go & we need to score, the players are still in default mode. Confused on how to take the game on, as they once did as kids.
Fly has them doing what all players would love to do. Hats off to the pies, love watching them play.

[jeemak]

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Well then that means our recruiters aren't good enough

You might be onto something. Perhaps Sam Power and his team need to step up and start bringing in quality players not gifted and easily secured through draft points theory.

[GVGjr]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

You might be onto something. Perhaps Sam Power and his team need to step up and start bringing in quality players not gifted and easily secured through draft points theory.

We simply haven't been opening up enough list spots to really test their talent identification abilities later in the draft but I agree we should be bold and brave enough to back ourselves. Where we have been fortunate is adding the likes of Baker, JOD and Poulter after a period of time to reflect and assess.

[azabob]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

We simply haven't been opening up enough list spots to really test their talent identification abilities later in the draft but I agree we should be bold and brave enough to back ourselves. Where we have been fortunate is adding the likes of Baker, JOD and Poulter after a period of time to reflect and assess.

Yep that is my thoughts as well. I don't think having three national recruiters from 2019 has been great either. Coupled with the fact we hardly had a pick in the 2020 and 2021 drafts.

We simply need to identify a pool of kids to bring in over the next three years. I'd be aiming for 15. Not including trades or free agency.

Interestingly Collingwood of late have not been afraid to delist draftees once their two years are up.

[Bornadog]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

Yep that is my thoughts as well. I don't think having three national recruiters from 2019 has been great either. Coupled with the fact we hardly had a pick in the 2020 and 2021 drafts.

We simply need to identify a pool of kids to bring in over the next three years. I'd be aiming for 15. Not including trades or free agency.

Interestingly Collingwood of late have not been afraid to delist draftees once their two years are up.

Simply not true..

Our delistings:


2022 - 8
2021 - 6
2020 - 9
2019 - 5
2018 - 10
2017 - 8


Other than 2019, we have averaged around 8

We have had 15 players in those years delisted/traded/retired.

[mjp]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

Interestingly Collingwood of late have not been afraid to delist draftees once their two years are up.

Poulter looks OK though right?

[azabob]

Re: Western Bulldogs accused of wasting golden era

Simply not true..



We have had 15 players in those years delisted/traded/retired.

What is not true? It is my opinion.

I never said we didn't bring in 15 players.