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[Scraggers]

Re: Lucy Cornes in Twitter attack after Will Minson offends Port Adelaide players wit

I'm not going to personally attack Lucy Cornes however, I find it pretty ordinary that she has openly attacked Will after receiving second hand and no doubt biased information about what he said on the weekend. Her self indulgent rantings since haven't painted her in a very good light either, and I get the feeling she thinks this issue is more about her than it is about Pearce and his family. How does she think Will's mother and father feel right now? She is doing the same thing to them, that she has had done to her! That's what's so laughable and stupid about her efforts this week.

While she may have an axe to grind with Will, she must know that her own husband has made more than one disparaging and unnacceptable remark about members of Will's family. If she wants any sympathy for what occurred four years ago for her and her son, or any credibility given to her current ramblings she should openly acknowledge that all offensive comments are unnacceptable, and that she and members of her extended family have let themselves down in this area as well.

I can't see her doing that though, and that's why she is leaving herself open to attack.

Quality post.

[SonofScray]

Re: Lucy Cornes in Twitter attack after Will Minson offends Port Adelaide players wit

You're confusing cause and effect GD. Collingwood aren't loud because they have their 'historical narrative', supporter base and money. They have a supporter base and money because they are loud. Despite their history, it was an administrative basketcase when Eddie took over. We have as much of a historical narrative as any other club in the league -- it's a matter of knowing it, being proud of it, and selling it, which we are shit at. I mean, long-term supporters like yourself even believe the popular perception that we have no 'historical narrative' (not your fault), but the best marketing organisations know how to tell good stories that change perceptions.

Once again, like the club, you seem to think that pleasing the AFL and other clubs are what we should be thinking about, but if supporters walk away and we drop to 15,000 members, the AFL will be the first ones looking to ship us off interstate. Conversely, if we actually stand for something and attract 40,000+ members, we can stand on our own two feet and tell the AFL to sod off (something Collingwood does regularly). Why would any kid out there looking for a club to support be attracted to a club with a softly, softly approach that loses its best young players regularly and kow-tows quietly to AFL HQ? Dogs fans loved the wog squad who intimidated the opposition. Hawthorn's unsociable footy was hated by others but loved by their own fans. We've already mentioned Eddie.

There is a marketing concept called 'clanning' -- the desire of people to feel a part of something they can identify with and get behind. It's not just a matter of on-field success (as North can tell you), and it's not logical: it's why people fight civil wars against their neighbours et al, but in this context, it's an important psychological factor. People want to arbitrarily unite behind colours and fight other tribes. This tribalism is what drives football at its heart, and the Dogs, in its desire to become bland, colourless and safe, has completely missed the boat on that one.

In fact, I argue that being a smaller club, clanning is even more important, as we really want to tap into a sense of being a crusader fighting the good fight, which a lot of people can identify with. Instead, I don't really know what we stand for, and I challenge anyone who hasn't drunk the club's kool-aid to tell me what it is. I think I heard kids call the Dogs 'losers' recently, so that's something we stand for maybe. Your brand isn't what you tell people it is, it's what they tell you it is, based on their observations. Actions speak louder than words.

GD, your approach of 'doing the right thing' is admirable, but not from a long-term business perspective - we are not a charity, a non-profit, or a government agency where towing the party line and not rocking the boat is important. We are a competitive business in a cut-throat environment. Eddie's biggest strength is realising that this is a business, and businesses live and die by their core customers, ie. members and fans, and he only supports the rest of the AFL in order to create a better business environment for Collingwood to thrive in. Without wanting to offend anyone, I can see even on this board that those of us whose livelihoods are determined by commercial realities -- you know, those of us with big income targets and have to constantly sell, hit up donors, or deal with investors, to survive -- are the ones most disappointed with the Dogs, because we can see how commercially naive our practices are. Those of us more used to an administratively neutral environment -- public servants et al -- are satisfied with the Dogs not rocking the boat, because that's what works in non-commercial sectors. It looks like our administration has chosen to hitch itself closely to city hall and behave like a good little organisation. That may be a good short-term survival strategy, but comes at the expense of your long-term growth, just at a time when we need it most.

Such a great post. I think you've really nailed one of the aspects of the Club that has really been gaining legs in recent years. Similar stuff pops up in the FNWB threads, somewhere along the line the Club has become ultra conservative an completely submissive. I get the impression that many of our fans have got to the point where they are OK with it, through fear of death etc. Its hegemonic. We've been sold death and fear for so long, been beaten down its almost like a learned helplessness.

I am getting increasingly frustrated with it.

[AndrewP6]

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You're on! This bunch are always looking to improve their English. Or...find a visa sponsor
We were hosted by the Bulldogs Engagement Program and cannot speak highly enough of their team. Very generous.

What they need is an English teacher... *raises hand in the air*...PICK ME PICK ME!!!!

[Remi Moses]

Re: Lucy Cornes in Twitter attack after Will Minson offends Port Adelaide players wit

Good post.

I've found the whole saga depressing over the last couple of days. Here's a few of the reasons why:

- Minson is a dill because of his prior record, and he should have been able to produce something a little better than your standard mum sledge considering his intelligence. If you can't get inside someone's head without being offensive then you shouldn't be sledging

- Pearce is a brat of the highest order, and will want to keep his nose extremely clean going forward. Any step outside the line of what is publicly acceptable should be met with widespread condemnation. It's all or nothing, this guy chose nothing and should be held to account for that

- The influence of the Cornes family and their hypocritical viewpoint makes me ill. I mean, who the bloody hell are these people and considering their priors in this area why are they not being lambasted and ridiculed by all and sundry

- I'm torn between acknowledging the club took the path of least resistance through a pragmatic approach, and thinking they should have taken a stand against the hysterical frenzy portrayed across the media, past players and twitterati who screamed for a public flogging of Minson, and ultimately received one

- The AFL's commercially driven charade surrounding respect and responsibility towards women taking another victim. The AFL has so much more to do in this area to change the culture of football players and attitudes towards women, and public whippings of players isn't a very good starting point

- The willingness of the football industry and public to mirror society, and demonstrate how truly shallow and pathetic it is. There are significantly larger issues affecting sport and society as a whole than this one, and I wish society could be raised from its slumber and become half as passionate about them, as they seem to be over the childish actions of a professional sportsperson


This article contains comments from the club backing Minson's character and sticking by his version of events:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dogs-wont-let-minson-flounder-20120619-20m6q.html

To me, this is not emphatic enough.

What would really please me is ex-team mates who are in the media going in to bat heavily for Minson over the coming weeks, and I also want to see them and other prominent Bulldogs people (particularly at the home game luncheon's address to members) whilst doing so openly attack the hypocrisy demonstrated by the Cornes family, ex-players and football commentators since this blew up on Monday. The club, whilst acknowledging Minson's comments were not appropriate, need to point out how disappointed they are with his character being trashed. They also need to remind those trashing him that they've all stuck their heads out of the ground, and they now must be prepared to have them knocked off if they step out of line in the future.

Just about my sentiments also

[always right]

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I didn't think the club was actually handling it too piss-weakly until I saw the masterclass Geelong is putting on to cover for Jesse Stringer at the moment.

How that is in the back of the sports section and Will is plastered everywhere is beyond me.

Full front page coverage in today's Herald Sun.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Lucy Cornes in Twitter attack after Will Minson offends Port Adelaide players wit

What they need is an English teacher... *raises hand in the air*...PICK ME PICK ME!!!!

Ok you and Desipura can run a clinic and teach them how to tackle. happy? ^_^

I get what it is with this whole Minson saga. People love to think negatively and are ADDICTED to it. And social media and the internet allows us to become a group of collective moaners. Couple with that, everyone loves to pick on a smart kid and get their two cents back.
To counter this, write to Will and let him know what a bonafide legend he is even though he may have done something stupid, as we ALL have done.

[LostDoggy]

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Full front page coverage in today's Herald Sun.

Still?? Come on, we've had an 'earthquake' and this negative crap is still making the front page?

[G-Mo77]

Re: Lucy Cornes in Twitter attack after Will Minson offends Port Adelaide players wit

Still?? Come on, we've had an 'earthquake' and this negative crap is still making the front page?

We've also had a Geelong player beat his girlfriend up. Geelong = Mature club, Western Bulldogs = Cultural Problem.

The way the HUN are carrying on you'd think Will didn't just say it, he did it.

[jazzadogs]

Re: Lucy Cornes in Twitter attack after Will Minson offends Port Adelaide players wit

We've also had a Geelong player beat his girlfriend up. Geelong = Mature club, Western Bulldogs = Cultural Problem.

The way the HUN are carrying on you'd think Will didn't just say it, he did it.

Not like its the first thing to go wrong at Geelong either. Stokes, Stevie J. All dealt with very well by the Cats, but surely that shows more of a problem than a 'good bloke' who said some stupid things?

[G-Mo77]

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Not like its the first thing to go wrong at Geelong either. Stokes, Stevie J. All dealt with very well by the Cats, but surely that shows more of a problem than a 'good bloke' who said some stupid things?

Not according to Jon Ralph.


Spotlight turns to Bulldogs' bad behaviour record

THE Bulldogs have denied they had a culture problem despite several unsavory incidents at Whitten Oval in recent years.

Will Minson's club-based suspension for sledging Port Adelaide's Danyle Pearce follows teammate Justin Sherman's four-match ban last year for sledging Gold Coast youngster Joel Wilkinson.

Current Western Bulldogs assistant coach Brett Montgomery was also fined for sledging Essendon's Adam Ramanauskas while playing at Port Adelaide in 2004, while assistant coach Steven King lost his licence for drink-driving in the pre-season.

But while the three sledging-based incidents reflect poorly on the club, football manager James Fantasia said there was no culture problem.

"I wouldn't think so at all. I think you will find the heat of battle often brings out a whole lot of things," he said.

"What the players learn is that it is a different time and place. There are certain things that are appropriate and certain things that aren't. And we learn from that.

"We, as a club, have worked very hard to instil the right values into our players.

"We get disappointed when our players don't (adhere) to those rules and guidelines.

"What I can say is that Will Minson is a quality person, and I'm very confident that he's learnt a very valuable lesson out of this situation.

"And what unfortunately happens is, through those actions, a lot of our other players will get exposed to that and we expect them to learn from it as well."

Fantasia said the club's decision to handle the suspension showed it was taking the issue seriously.

"We're working through the issue, and we're comfortable that we've made a decision that we needed to impose . Will's very accepting of that.

We've had some dialogue with the Port Adelaide Football Club and they see that as being appropriate as well."

It's a wonder Shannon Grant's drinking binge here in Bendigo wasn't brought up as well.

[LostDoggy]

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Jon Ralph = crap journalist
Knows nothing.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Montgomery's sledge while at Port Adelaide reflects badly on us? HTF does that work?

[LostDoggy]

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This is the worst article written over the whole saga. And that's saying something.

The bloke's a absolute plonker.

I would suggest that our "behaviour" record stands up against any club Ralph wants to name.

This article above all others demands a response from the Club

[Scraggers]

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This is the worst article written over the whole saga. And that's saying something.

The bloke's a absolute plonker.

I would suggest that our "behaviour" record stands up against any club Ralph wants to name.

This article above all others demands a response from the Club

Agreed ... It astounds me that our club is being battered like this, we need to get back on the front foot.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Lucy Cornes in Twitter attack after Will Minson offends Port Adelaide players wit

Why the personal attack on Lucy Cornes?

PS she is a very articulate woman. And very proud of her amazing family.

You cant be serious T&T the Cornes family is all that is wrong with the football media in SA, they are completely blind.

Chads twit response about hate? Great message to the kids, Wills misdemeanor was on the field like million others that stayed there. The Cornes' said far less about Bock smacking his missus up and Rucciutos brawls in pubs, nice priority. There are many other examples of Cornes misdemeanors.

I cannot bear the football media in Adelaide. Cornes and co carry on like pork chops the minute they find something to rally against as he is still not over his son not playing for the crows.