Dog 'in dark place'

[The Underdog]

Re: Dog 'in dark place'

I would say that message is given to them year after year. The AFL is pretty vigilant about educating players on drugs.

It's almost like the rest of society where people are told about the evils of drugs, yet some choose to take them anyway. I wonder why that is?

[Bornadog]

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It's almost like the rest of society where people are told about the evils of drugs, yet some choose to take them anyway. I wonder why that is?

My two bobs, either its peer pressure, or they have a problem in life, ie they can't enjoy life without being high.

[Mantis]

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Fact, sleeping in the gutter, pissed with pills in your pocket, tells you a bit.

I read that he was found with 1 illegal pill (thought to be ecstasy) in his pocket... where did you hear that he had pills?

[Bornadog]

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I read that he was found with 1 illegal pill (thought to be ecstasy) in his pocket... where did you hear that he had pills?

Being very pedantic here. Ok substitute a pill for tablet, whats the difference?

FYI: Tablet (pharmacy), a mixture of pharmacological substances pressed into a small cake or bar, colloquially called a "pill"

[AndrewP6]

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I think the question of pill vs pills was the number found on him, not an issue of semantics.

[jeemak]

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My two bobs, either its peer pressure, or they have a problem in life, ie they can't enjoy life without being high.

We all have our problems, not all of us turn to drugs to deal with them. Some members of society do though and they need our understanding and protection.

Escapism is forever evolving though, and removing or criminalising drugs isn't the way to stop people trying to escape from their every day lives. If drugs are a scourge on society, perhaps we all need to look at the areas within our society that make people want to escape from it.

Bare in mind though there's also a demographic that takes drugs because they enjoy them, otherwise living a balanced lifestyle. I think it's fairly presumptuous and narrow to assume they have a problem because they can't enjoy their life enough without getting high.

Viewing those who enjoy drugs as criminals and problematic personalities hasn't worked for the last 40 years. I really fail to see how it's going to turn a corner and start working for the next 40.

Anyway back to Tom. I hope he trains his arse off without having the match day wear and tear to worry about over the next month. He has a chance to get some serious conditioning up prior to the end of season break. He owes it to himself, his family and the broader club to come back prior to Christmas for the start of preseason in magnificent shape.

[Twodogs]

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My two bobs, either its peer pressure, or they have a problem in life, ie they can't enjoy life without being high.

You dont enjoy life when you are drug affected. It just helps to cope/hide/screen stuff out.

[MrMahatma]

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You dont enjoy life when you are drug affected. It just helps to cope/hide/screen stuff out.

I think you're over thinking it. He got high. Like his mates. Prob no more than that.

[Bornadog]

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I think you're over thinking it. He got high. Like his mates. Prob no more than that.

Pretty sure Twodogs is talking in general about drugs.

[Ghost Dog]

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We all have our problems, not all of us turn to drugs to deal with them. Some members of society do though and they need our understanding and protection.

Escapism is forever evolving though, and removing or criminalising drugs isn't the way to stop people trying to escape from their every day lives. If drugs are a scourge on society, perhaps we all need to look at the areas within our society that make people want to escape from it.

Bare in mind though there's also a demographic that takes drugs because they enjoy them, otherwise living a balanced lifestyle. I think it's fairly presumptuous and narrow to assume they have a problem because they can't enjoy their life enough without getting high.

Viewing those who enjoy drugs as criminals and problematic personalities hasn't worked for the last 40 years. I really fail to see how it's going to turn a corner and start working for the next 40.

Anyway back to Tom. I hope he trains his arse off without having the match day wear and tear to worry about over the next month. He has a chance to get some serious conditioning up prior to the end of season break. He owes it to himself, his family and the broader club to come back prior to Christmas for the start of preseason in magnificent shape.

It's a cultural thing. when I first came to Melbourne I was shocked at the casual way people take drugs. I'm a teacher, TAFE level and a few blokes here talk about drug taking as though it's like putting another shrimp on the barbie. So for a young bloke, with plenty of pocket money, in that culture of dance and what not, no big deal. If the club don't make him work a normal blue collar job, I'll be disappointed. It will be good for him. Recently I started cleaning at a supermarket. When you make a pittance an hour, you certainly become aware of how the other half live and have a bit more respect for what you have.

[Twodogs]

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I think you're over thinking it. He got high. Like his mates. Prob no more than that.

I hope you're right. The fact he was alone when the police found him worries me as does the fact he was out of it but still had a pill in his pocket. People who only take drugs as recreational thing dont tend to do it by themselves. If his mates shot through when they realised the police were about to get involved then that's OK but if Libba is hanging around clubs after everyone else has gone home then that's classic addict behaviour. And if he was already of it and still had a pill in his pocket was that pill for later? Addicts like to know that you've got some more.

I really, truly hope I'm wrong.

It's a cultural thing. when I first came to Melbourne I was shocked at the casual way people take drugs.

Spot on. It's scary the amount of drugs there are in Melbourne and how normal it is to take them. When I stopped I virtually had to reconstruct my entire social network.

[LostDoggy]

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It's a cultural thing. when I first came to Melbourne I was shocked at the casual way people take drugs. I'm a teacher, TAFE level and a few blokes here talk about drug taking as though it's like putting another shrimp on the barbie. So for a young bloke, with plenty of pocket money, in that culture of dance and what not, no big deal.

It was the same 20 years ago when I was at school. It hasn't changed and Libba isn't unique. He definitely needs to reassess his friends from school v his footy career though. High chance if he chooses the former this is going to keep happening in coming years and he'll end up getting kicked out of the afl. That would be a tragedy.

[jeemak]

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I hope you're right. The fact he was alone when the police found him worries me as does the fact he was out of it but still had a pill in his pocket. People who only take drugs as recreational thing dont tend to do it by themselves. If his mates shot through when they realised the police were about to get involved then that's OK but if Libba is hanging around clubs after everyone else has gone home then that's classic addict behaviour. And if he was already of it and still had a pill in his pocket was that pill for later? Addicts like to know that you've got some more.

I really, truly hope I'm wrong.

Spot on. It's scary the amount of drugs there are in Melbourne and how normal it is to take them. When I stopped I virtually had to reconstruct my entire social network.

Not sure he was alone. Pretty sure he had a couple of mates with him, one or two from the club, and a few others.

[Ghost Dog]

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Not sure he was alone. Pretty sure he had a couple of mates with him, one or two from the club, and a few others.

Really? there were other blokes from the club with him?

[ledge]

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I heard it was mates outside the club , a bit similar to what I have heard about Buddy Franklin, it's his mates outside the club who are leading him astray.