Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

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  • Bulldog4life
    WOOF Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 9607

    Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

    Are the Western Bulldogs a potentially good side drastically under-performing, or an ordinary one placed where their talent dictates they should be? Much depends on how you viewed the Bulldogs' finish to 2013.

    Five wins from their last nine games seemed to have enough of the football world talking up potential finals prospects over summer. Too much, in fact, thought some of us, given they were victories over GWS, bedraggled West Coast and Adelaide teams, Carlton and Melbourne.

    That weight of expectation has been some millstone this season. But with the Bulldogs now 3-8 and clearly cooked as far as 2014 goes, it's time nevertheless to start asking whether what it was based upon was in fact mostly hot air.

    After a period of public grace, coach Brendan McCartney is starting to feel some serious heat about a variety of issues.

    He was less than convincing when responding to the Bulldogs' position at the bottom of The Age's 'relevance ladder' last week. There's his refusal to give the public roasting many Bulldog fans believe his players deserve. A lack of animation before the cameras which, perhaps unfairly, can be interpreted as lack of passion. Now there's growing criticisms about both selection and an alleged lack of pro-activeness in the coach's box on game day.

    All could feasibly be factors in what is fast becoming a nightmare of a season. But not nearly as great as one far more ominous perspective. That not only is McCartney's list a mile off the pace now, but its prospects of bridging that gap over the next few years minimal.

    That's not to gloss over the immediate problems, though, which are considerable. In short, the Bulldogs have gone backwards in areas in which they've been proficient, and got worse in departments which were already an issue.

    In 2013, the Bulldogs at least ranked No.1 in the differentials for contested ball. Currently, they're 16th. The blue collar stuff, as McCartney himself has noted, isn't always easy on the eye, but the fans will tolerate a lack of aesthetics if it produces wins. When that's not happening, what are they supposed to be enthused about?

    Certainly, not their attack, which despite the recruitment of Stewart Crameri, is performing even worse than last year, when it ranked 13th for points scored. Then, the Dogs averaged 87.5 points a game. Currently, they're going at 80.2 points, more than a goal per game less, the ranking slipping to equal 14th.

    They're not efficient with what opportunities they do have, either, ranked 15th for scores per forward entry, only once in 12 games having scored more than 100 points. That veteran Daniel Giansiracusa ranks second for scoreboard impact despite having started as sub eight times and averaging only 44 per cent of game time says it all.

    In terms of personnel, the forward line issues are a microcosm of the bigger picture. There's a continual merry-go-round of the same faces in and out of the Bulldogs' set-up, on Saturday night against Brisbane Jarrad Grant was back for his first game of the season, while Liam Jones, available after suspension, played VFL.

    So did Ayce Cordy, a player who like another VFL teammate Tom Campbell, the Dogs can't seem to decide on as a forward or ruckman. The senior 22, meanwhile, contained Grant, recruit Stewart Crameri and Tom Williams, two of whom don't have the capacity to play as genuine contested marking key forwards, the other a pinch-hitting key defender.

    The juggling of options seems to have gone on for years now, and the Bulldogs don't look any more potent for it. Could they do any worse than give another raw key forward in Jack Redpath a crack now with the season already shot to bits?

    But who else? The Bulldogs certainly seem to have more than their share of players who have had a taste of senior football but are still to convince even the Dogs they're a part of the best 22.

    Lin Jong, Brett Goodes, Daniel Pearce, Sam Darley, Michael Talia, and Tom Young have all played senior football without owning a spot in the Dogs' best side. You could argue the same of three more who did line up against Brisbane, Jason Tutt, Christian Howard and Nathan Hrovat.

    The Bulldogs have a chronic lack of leg speed around the ball, and their skills aren't up to scratch under intense physical pressure. Do any of those players named above have the necessary tools to be able to make a significant difference in those areas? You could hardly count on it.

    Who's definitely there for the long haul? Tom Liberatore, Jack Macrae, Luke Dahlhaus and Jordan Roughead certainly, probably Mitch Wallis, Jake Stringer and Lachie Hunter, perhaps Jason Johannisen and injured pair Clay Smith and Tory Dickson. That's less than half a team around whom the Bulldogs can confidently plan a long-term future.

    And plenty of "ifs", "buts" and "maybes", especially with Giansiracusa 32, Bob Murphy turning 32 on Monday and Matthew Boyd 32 in August.

    Turning the blowtorch on McCartney might offer Bulldog fans some sort of cathartic release, but Jock McHale could take on the club's current list and still face the same set of longer-term problems.

    And, longer-term problems, given a third successive home crowd of comfortably under 20,000 on Saturday night, are something the Bulldogs simply can't afford. Literally


    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...#ixzz346pXUF6a
  • Remi Moses
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 14785

    #2
    Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

    Gee Rohan bit tough on a fewer of the younger blokes.
    Not every young player cements a spot in the side.

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    • Remi Moses
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 14785

      #3
      Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

      Most of the article is pretty reasonable

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      • azabob
        Hall of Fame
        • Sep 2008
        • 15210

        #4
        Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

        The articles are now coming thick and fast.
        More of an In Bruges guy?

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        • Sedat
          Hall of Fame
          • Sep 2007
          • 11141

          #5
          Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

          Our form late last season also contained strong performances against Sydney, Essendon and Hawthorn, all of whom were top 4 at the time we played them. Our form last season after the GWS game was consistently good and far above anything we have dished in in 2014.

          We didn't just catch a couple of teams on the hop as most scribes have alluded to. That level was not out of the box and it was consistently reached - there is absolutely no reason we should not have expected to match or even build on this platform in 2014.
          "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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          • Remi Moses
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 14785

            #6
            Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

            Yep no excuses ^^

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            • Topdog
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2007
              • 7471

              #7
              Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

              spot on Sedat

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              • Ghost Dog
                WOOF Member
                • May 2010
                • 9404

                #8
                Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

                We are building on it. Anyone who has ever learned any kind of skill has had to take a step back in order to go forward.
                We are having to adjust without Matty Boyd and essentially, Ryan Griffen. Add Grant to that who we just got back, and gave us a lift late last season. That is a lot of talent to be missing. As we adjust to that, it takes some time to replace those significant holes.

                Bell shaped curve. There was a period there last year when everyone was sharpening knives with the coach's name on them.
                Then we start winning towards the end of the year, against good teams. Brendan quickly goes into the good books and people accept he needs 5 years to implement his plan.

                Now, again, we are in a downturn, but it won't last long. The concern I do have is the slow speed of moves made on game day. But I feel confident that Brendan will develop a team style that never says die ever. That's what I want.
                Then, only clever drafting and eventually, someone with GF experience, can get us to the big dance.
                Last edited by Ghost Dog; 09-06-2014, 06:31 PM.
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                • The bulldog tragician
                  Senior Player
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 1974

                  #9
                  Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

                  Sure, a lot of what he says makes sense and can't be denied, but other things betray that he hasn't bothered to do much in depth analysis, eg Hrovat hasn't yet 'owned' a spot is just sloppy journalism, showing that he hasn't taken much time, just taken a fashionable opportunity to join the groundswell of criticism.
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                  • LostDoggy
                    WOOF Member
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 8307

                    #10
                    Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

                    I think he has a point that would've benefitted from a better journalist's pen.

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                    • Missing Dog
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8501

                      #11
                      Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

                      Heard Gary Lyon on MMM today talking utter crap about us today saying the list is no good he Said Stephen Wallis a good kid but wont make it cant even get his name right also said there was a reason Jake Stringer wasn't a higher pick?Um hello broken leg you Muppet and said Hrovat and Hunter are too small and might play 40 or 60 games.Absolute joke of a commentator.

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                      • kruder
                        Coaching Staff
                        • May 2011
                        • 3784

                        #12
                        Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

                        Originally posted by BornAScragger
                        I think he has a point that would've benefitted from a better journalist's pen.
                        Outside of Hrovat he is spot on...

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                        • Remi Moses
                          WOOF Member
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 14785

                          #13
                          Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

                          Originally posted by Pickenitup
                          Heard Gary Lyon on MMM today talking utter crap about us today saying the list is no good he Said Stephen Wallis a good kid but wont make it cant even get his name right also said there was a reason Jake Stringer wasn't a higher pick?Um hello broken leg you Muppet and said Hrovat and Hunter are too small and might play 40 or 60 games.Absolute joke of a commentator.
                          Bit fashionable to lay the boots in, and you have to sought through the dross spoken.
                          Steve Wallis has to be the worlds oldest kid.

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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 66169

                            #14
                            Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

                            Originally posted by Pickenitup
                            Heard Gary Lyon on MMM today talking utter crap about us today saying the list is no good he Said Stephen Wallis a good kid but wont make it cant even get his name right also said there was a reason Jake Stringer wasn't a higher pick?Um hello broken leg you Muppet and said Hrovat and Hunter are too small and might play 40 or 60 games.Absolute joke of a commentator.
                            Pretty simple don't listen to MMM, or watch the footy show.
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                            • bulldogtragic
                              The List Manager
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 34316

                              #15
                              Re: Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

                              Originally posted by bornadog
                              Pretty simple don't listen to MMM, or watch the footy show.
                              Done and done.
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