Western Bulldogs' dilemma more than the coach

[Scorlibo]

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It's amazing how everyone can quite happily jump on the bandwagon to either criticise or praise out of form and in form teams respectively. Gary Lyon is one of the absolute worst commentators out there. He's what I consider an amplifier, doesn't bring anything new to the table, just feeds off what everyone else is saying and amplifies that.

I think Rohan Connolly's done enough research here/knows our problems well enough to comment. The weird thing about the article for mine is that he could just as well write precisely the same article, throw in another couple of young long-termers (such as Hrovat, Bontempelli and Campbell) and conclude, very positively, that we have over half a team's worth of good young players to base our team around. He could have written the same article about Melbourne or St Kilda.

On the subject of Melbourne, does anyone find it curious how Paul Roos is receiving enormous amounts of praise - even to the point of being considered the coach of the year - for taking Melbourne to the same number of wins as we've had? Similar lists, arguably we've performed better than they have, but Macca cops a roasting and Roos a toasting. Bizarre.

[Remi Moses]

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Good points made, and wonder how much crap we'd cop playing that way.
Someone questioned our style not being worthy for Good Friday, but I ask was that style worthy of a stand alone game?
Melbourne have had a fair pick of the old apple tree since 07 ( before the compromised drafts)and finally starting to improve.
Granted some average players have improved, but let's be honest they've made some horrendous off field appointments.

[Sedat]

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Melbourne have come from 2 wins in 2013, we've come from 9 wins. That's a start, Scorlibo. And he's done it after 1 pre-season in charge and with a long injury list.

[LostDoggy]

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It's amazing how everyone can quite happily jump on the bandwagon to either criticise or praise out of form and in form teams respectively. Gary Lyon is one of the absolute worst commentators out there. He's what I consider an amplifier, doesn't bring anything new to the table, just feeds off what everyone else is saying and amplifies that.

I think Rohan Connolly's done enough research here/knows our problems well enough to comment. The weird thing about the article for mine is that he could just as well write precisely the same article, throw in another couple of young long-termers (such as Hrovat, Bontempelli and Campbell) and conclude, very positively, that we have over half a team's worth of good young players to base our team around. He could have written the same article about Melbourne or St Kilda.

On the subject of Melbourne, does anyone find it curious how Paul Roos is receiving enormous amounts of praise - even to the point of being considered the coach of the year - for taking Melbourne to the same number of wins as we've had? Similar lists, arguably we've performed better than they have, but Macca cops a roasting and Roos a toasting. Bizarre.

Patience and football are not good bedfellows. It's always amazed me how ready we are to apply the blowtorch and set fire to the whole place, but when somebody asks you to be patient for a few years — and let's face it, we've spent 60 years trying to do it the easy way and failed, what's 5 years dedicated to trying it the hard way matter?

If the club looked at our performances and decided Macca hasn't delivered on KPIs, ok, we'll cross that bridge, but basing such decisions on what the media thinks, or a string of bad form isn't what I call good business sense. Go back two years and dig up some articles about how Port had the worst list on the planet and wouldn't even survive long as a club. Rings a bell?

[Bornadog]

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Melbourne have come from 2 wins in 2013, we've come from 9 wins. That's a start, Scorlibo. And he's done it after 1 pre-season in charge and with a long injury list.

Wow 50% increase for Melbourne to rocket to 3 wins they are going places.

PS: We had 8 wins last year.

[Sedat]

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Wow 50% increase for Melbourne to rocket to 3 wins they are going places.

PS: We had 8 wins last year.

8 wins or 9 (I had 9 in my head for some reason), we aren't going to match that this year with an easier draw and less injuries, and we are in year 3 of the coach's tenure.

Melbourne might end up tripling their wins this year compared to last, are in the first year of the coach's tenure and still have some serious long-term injuries that will only give them upside. Never thought I'd say this but they currently look better placed than we do to improve in the next few seasons.

[Scorlibo]

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8 wins or 9 (I had 9 in my head for some reason), we aren't going to match that this year with an easier draw and less injuries, and we are in year 3 of the coach's tenure.

Melbourne might end up tripling their wins this year compared to last, are in the first year of the coach's tenure and still have some serious long-term injuries that will only give them upside. Never thought I'd say this but they currently look better placed than we do to improve in the next few seasons.

Something that's not even possible for us. Ignoring how much better we did than them last year, there's minimal difference in the shape of each team's list.

[bulldogtragic]

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Goldsack was sharing a joke, rather actuality, Rodney Eade shouts breakfast for the playing 22 if the have the least points scored against. They Collingwood folk seem to like Rocket, he said it's going to cost a Rocket a fair bit this week.

[Sedat]

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Ignoring how much better we did than them last year, there's minimal difference in the shape of each team's list.

Can't really agree with your sentiments. Melbourne now has the makings of a decent midfield (still behind ours for depth), and their key position stocks both down back and up forward are clearly superior to ours. And their ruck stocks are about the same level as ours.

[azabob]

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Goldsack was sharing a joke, rather actuality, Rodney Eade shouts breakfast for the playing 22 if the have the least points scored against. They Collingwood folk seem to like Rocket, he said it's going to cost a Rocket a fair bit this week.

He (Goldsack) was on fox as a guest, wasn't he? Was he good?

I wouldn't mind seeing it. I will have to track it down.

[bulldogtragic]

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He (Goldsack) was on fox as a guest, wasn't he? Was he good?

I wouldn't mind seeing it. I will have to track it down.

On the couch, he was fairly laid back and entertaining. Seemed to quite like Rocket.

[Bornadog]

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8 wins or 9 (I had 9 in my head for some reason), we aren't going to match that this year with an easier draw and less injuries, and we are in year 3 of the coach's tenure.

Melbourne might end up tripling their wins this year compared to last, are in the first year of the coach's tenure and still have some serious long-term injuries that will only give them upside. Never thought I'd say this but they currently look better placed than we do to improve in the next few seasons.

Kicking three goals in a game is not improvement. I can't see why all the accolades for Melbourne they are more competitive in games, just like we are, but still not winning. Having said that, they should be way ahead of us with the talent they have had access to in the drafts over the past 5 years.

[Sedat]

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Kicking three goals in a game is not improvement. I can't see why all the accolades for Melbourne they are more competitive in games, just like we are, but still not winning. Having said that, they should be way ahead of us with the talent they have had access to in the drafts over the past 5 years.

Don't speak too soon - we've got the Pies next week.

If you can't see the significant improvement they have made from last year's rabble to this year to date, I'm not about to point it out to you.

[Bornadog]

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I can't see why all the accolades for Melbourne they are more competitive in games, just like we are, but still not winning.

Don't speak too soon - we've got the Pies next week.

If you can't see the significant improvement they have made from last year's rabble to this year to date, I'm not about to point it out to you.

Did I say that

[Webby]

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On the subject of Melbourne, does anyone find it curious how Paul Roos is receiving enormous amounts of praise - even to the point of being considered the coach of the year - for taking Melbourne to the same number of wins as we've had? Similar lists, arguably we've performed better than they have, but Macca cops a roasting and Roos a toasting. Bizarre.

Melbourne were the lowest scoring team in the league last year and they're the lowest scoring team again this year - in fact, their scoring is slightly down on last year's.

The only difference is that their defence has improved. Roos basically has them juggling one ball at the moment. When they try to move to juggling two, and then three balls, they'll find (as we are) that progress is less meteoric!

They, like us, have a long road to travel.

The big difference is that they are feeling better about themselves than we are.

PS. Gary Lyon is just a very ordinary character on more levels than I'd care to mention on an open forum..