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  • bulldogtragic
    The List Manager
    • Jan 2007
    • 34316

    #16
    Re: 2019 Draft Watch

    Originally posted by GVGjr
    Not to my knowledge.
    Footscray??? Close proximity with his brother and he knows Rhylee West very well.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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    • The Doctor
      Coaching Staff
      • Jan 2007
      • 3701

      #17
      Re: 2019 Draft Watch

      Here's a look at some leading prospects for this year's draft. It's noteworthy that there are some good front half players in this lot

      Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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      • The Doctor
        Coaching Staff
        • Jan 2007
        • 3701

        #18
        Re: 2019 Draft Watch

        ESPN Power Rankings - March

        Greater Western Sydney academy player Thomas Green is the standout player heading into 2019 ahead of a whole host of Oakleigh Chargers stars. ESPN's AFL draft expert Chris Doerre ranks his top 20 prospects for April.
        Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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        • mjp
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Jan 2007
          • 7244

          #19
          Re: 2019 Draft Watch

          The story of Sydney Stack is why the draft process is so broken...so hard to take this stuff seriously when the writers get so much info from the recruiters who clearly aren't qualified for the jobs they are doing.

          Yes, I'm fairly bitter right now but how a kid can:

          - Be the best player in WA Colts in 2018 and named in the team of the year.
          - Colts team of the year
          - Club B&F
          - National champs all-Australian
          - Play senior footy for his club
          Is a absolute joke. Gets given a so called 'life line' by Richmond (who are deadset lucky to have him), debuts in Round 3 and fits in like he has played 50 games...

          The system is broken.
          What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 65610

            #20
            Re: 2019 Draft Watch

            Originally posted by mjp
            The story of Sydney Stack is why the draft process is so broken...so hard to take this stuff seriously when the writers get so much info from the recruiters who clearly aren't qualified for the jobs they are doing.

            Yes, I'm fairly bitter right now but how a kid can:

            - Be the best player in WA Colts in 2018 and named in the team of the year.
            - Colts team of the year
            - Club B&F
            - National champs all-Australian
            - Play senior footy for his club
            Is a absolute joke. Gets given a so called 'life line' by Richmond (who are deadset lucky to have him), debuts in Round 3 and fits in like he has played 50 games...

            The system is broken.
            I wonder why we didn't pick him up.
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            • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Jan 2007
              • 8856

              #21
              Re: 2019 Draft Watch

              Originally posted by mjp
              The story of Sydney Stack is why the draft process is so broken...so hard to take this stuff seriously when the writers get so much info from the recruiters who clearly aren't qualified for the jobs they are doing.

              Yes, I'm fairly bitter right now but how a kid can:

              - Be the best player in WA Colts in 2018 and named in the team of the year.
              - Colts team of the year
              - Club B&F
              - National champs all-Australian
              - Play senior footy for his club
              Is a absolute joke. Gets given a so called 'life line' by Richmond (who are deadset lucky to have him), debuts in Round 3 and fits in like he has played 50 games...

              The system is broken.
              So given all the accolades and awards that point to him being a top prospect - why was he overlooked by all and landing in Richmond's lap?

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              • Axe Man
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2008
                • 10891

                #22
                Re: 2019 Draft Watch

                Originally posted by bornadog
                I wonder why we didn't pick him up.
                More to the point why all 18 clubs didn't pick him up in either draft.

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                • The Doctor
                  Coaching Staff
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 3701

                  #23
                  Re: 2019 Draft Watch

                  Originally posted by mjp
                  The story of Sydney Stack is why the draft process is so broken...so hard to take this stuff seriously when the writers get so much info from the recruiters who clearly aren't qualified for the jobs they are doing.

                  Yes, I'm fairly bitter right now but how a kid can:

                  - Be the best player in WA Colts in 2018 and named in the team of the year.
                  - Colts team of the year
                  - Club B&F
                  - National champs all-Australian
                  - Play senior footy for his club
                  Is a absolute joke. Gets given a so called 'life line' by Richmond (who are deadset lucky to have him), debuts in Round 3 and fits in like he has played 50 games...

                  The system is broken.
                  The system has never been fixed.

                  There are millions of examples of players with excellent credentials at elite junior level being overlooked only to be given a 'lifeline' and come good when given the chance.

                  I recall Michael Johnson, the recently retired Freo KD, was overlooked a couple of times after he became draft eligible in 2002 I think it was. I had him pegged as a top 10 pick. Couldn't believe it and was mighty pissed off we didn't go for him especially as we were crying out for KP's. We went with Cam Wight.

                  Then you have the players with no credentials getting snapped up, ie. Wight, Christian Howard et al. Mosts clubs have picked them up. Don't get me started on the athlete vs footballer debate. Then there are the state league players who are so often overlooked. You can see them weekly up against AFL listed players and beating them. In some cases consistently and not getting a go.

                  I think it is improving and it isn't an exact science but it staggers me how so many recruiters still get it badly wrong. I often wonder what is it they see. Footy depts have been inherently run by "Footy blokes" and "jobs for the boys" and I think they pass on their stigmas. For example I really believe Dalrymple tried to do a Clayton in his first year.

                  I note there is a more scientific approach to recruiting these days with various forms of statistical analysis, character assessments, and medical data etc. I even wonder if this is now over used. It's not easy having to weigh everything up I suppose, so you have to wonder what are the qualifications needed to be a good recruiter these days. I still think a lot has to be based on good judgement and instinct.
                  Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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                  • mjp
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 7244

                    #24
                    Re: 2019 Draft Watch

                    Originally posted by The Doctor
                    The system has never been fixed.
                    I'm living it mate - and have been for 15 years. But things are worse than ever and the expectations of 17year olds is completely out of control. That a player like Stack - given everything he achieved as an 18yo - was overlooked is just appalling. The worst thing is, I knew before the draft that no-one would pick him...
                    What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                    • Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8856

                      #25
                      Re: 2019 Draft Watch

                      Originally posted by mjp
                      I'm living it mate - and have been for 15 years. But things are worse than ever and the expectations of 17year olds is completely out of control. That a player like Stack - given everything he achieved as an 18yo - was overlooked is just appalling. The worst thing is, I knew before the draft that no-one would pick him...
                      So why is this happening? If he is so blessed with talent, why were all 18 clubs content to overlook him twice, and then let him land in Richmond's lap.
                      Is there an implied query on the young man's character? You seem genuinely outraged so I'd love to know, from your front seat view, what are the forces at play within this industry that lead to this occurring?

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                      • Throughandthrough
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 3203

                        #26
                        Re: 2019 Draft Watch

                        Will Gould has been absolutely dominating the back line in his first two league matches for Glenelg.

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                        • mjp
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 7244

                          #27
                          Re: 2019 Draft Watch

                          Originally posted by Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
                          So why is this happening? If he is so blessed with talent, why were all 18 clubs content to overlook him twice, and then let him land in Richmond's lap.
                          Is there an implied query on the young man's character? You seem genuinely outraged so I'd love to know, from your front seat view, what are the forces at play within this industry that lead to this occurring?
                          He’s an indigenous kid from small town WA. Clubs are scared by that. They don’t know how to relate - forget footballers versus athletes...clubs pick players who they are certain won’t be on the front page over ones who might headline the back page.

                          Of course I’m genuinely outraged...when you tell kids that a+b+c=draft...and when they do all of that it still isn’t enough - and is brushed under the carpet as a character ‘issue’? Pretty easy to have ‘good character’ when you are living at home with mum and dad with 3x cooked meals every day and someone doing your washing/organising your life. Not so easy when you are be done hopping at various friends and relatives places with no transport, no money and no real future...

                          I’m just super tired of it and there was another one missed last year and another one coming this year...who wants to bet history repeats itself (again).
                          What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                          • lemmon
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 6432

                            #28
                            Re: 2019 Draft Watch

                            Thanks for the insight MJP. It's amazing how different club attitudes are to the NFL, NBA where so many of their - primarily black - draftees come from difficult home situations and often with significant personal 'baggage'.

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                            • The Doctor
                              Coaching Staff
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 3701

                              #29
                              Re: 2019 Draft Watch

                              ESPN Power rankings for May

                              Noah Anderson's ability to break games open as a forward or midfielder sees him rise to No. 1 in Chris Doerre's May Power Rankings, while several previously unrated prospects break into his top 20.
                              Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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                              • bulldogtragic
                                The List Manager
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 34316

                                #30
                                Re: 2019 Draft Watch

                                Originally posted by The Doctor
                                So we might be around Williams or Flanders on Chris' list. Do you have a preference? Is the pick worth trading?
                                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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