Bugger it, don't trade Pick 1

[Dancin' Douggy]

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I used to be a big believer in that saying about it not being possible to have enough good footballers on your list, but a few years ago after watching GWS over 2015/2016 it occured to me that you need grunt as well. You need kids who have struggled to get on a list and who will do what it takes to succeed. A guy the coach can say "I've got a plan for you today" to and know that player will carry that plan out to the coaches requirements and not go ball chasing or get distracted.

Exactly. Clay Smith would have never ended up on the GWS list..........but he dragged us through that whole final series. Ditto Picken.

[Twodogs]

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Exactly. Clay Smith would have never ended up on the GWS list..........but he dragged us through that whole final series. Ditto Picken.

Dale Morris, Keithy Boyd and JJ were all off the rookie list. Funnily enough when push came to shove in that prelim they were the blokes that got on their bikes and pedaled like mad until we won. GWS didn't stand a chance.

[FrediKanoute]

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Dale Morris, Keithy Boyd and JJ were all off the rookie list. Funnily enough when push came to shove in that prelim they were the blokes that got on their bikes and pedaled like mad until we won. GWS didn't stand a chance.

Was Picko off the Rookie list? Roberts? was he a Rookie list player? Dicko was a mature recruit (kind of falls into that category). Amazing how well we worked the rookie list during the Noughties.

Its kind of why I don't mind guys like Rourke Smith - limited yes, but if he makes it he will be well worth the price paid.

[Missing Dog]

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Was Luke D also a rookie ????

[GVGjr]

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Was Luke D also a rookie ????

He sure was

[Twodogs]

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Was Picko off the Rookie list? Roberts? was he a Rookie list player? Dicko was a mature recruit (kind of falls into that category). Amazing how well we worked the rookie list during the Noughties.

Its kind of why I don't mind guys like Rourke Smith - limited yes, but if he makes it he will be well worth the price paid.

Yep, Williamstown and some bloke who owned a fruit shop stumped up his first years wages as part of an agreement we had with them when they were our feeder club-I think Patrick Rose was the other Williamstown Rookie that we listed under this program.

[azabob]

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Was Picko off the Rookie list? Roberts? was he a Rookie list player? Dicko was a mature recruit (kind of falls into that category). Amazing how well we worked the rookie list during the Noughties.

Its kind of why I don't mind guys like Rourke Smith - limited yes, but if he makes it he will be well worth the price paid.

Roberts was a pre season draft pick.

[Go_Dogs]

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Exactly. Clay Smith would have never ended up on the GWS list..........but he dragged us through that whole final series. Ditto Picken.

Well, Clay Smith was a first round pick too.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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Well, Clay Smith was a first round pick too.

I know he was. But just don''t think GWS would have ever picked a player like Smith.

[Topdog]

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Well, Clay Smith was a first round pick too.

He was but after his struggles he certainly fit into the struggled to be in a list category

[Bornadog]

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I know he was. But just don''t think GWS would have ever picked a player like Smith.

No way they would have.

[GVGjr]

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I've typically always thought it's best to maintain early picks and top up with some savvy trades later on but in light of yesterdays loss I don't think we have any choice but to trade this years first round pick and perhaps our second round pick for players who can come in and make us a stronger and more competitive side.

I'd even be open to trading our 2020 first round pick providing we get something back in the 2nd and/or 3rd rounds in 2020

We have too many quality players in or close to their prime to take the longer term view. If we are wanting them to commit to us then we need to commit to them that we are going to fast track our development and bring in some quality players.

[MrMahatma]

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I've typically always thought it's best to maintain early picks and top up with some savvy trades later on but in light of yesterdays loss I don't think we have any choice but to trade this years first round pick and perhaps our second round pick for players who can come in and make us a stronger and more competitive side.

I'd even be open to trading our 2020 first round pick providing we get something back in the 2nd and/or 3rd rounds in 2020

We have too many quality players in or close to their prime to take the longer term view. If we are wanting them to commit to us then we need to commit to them that we are going to fast track our development and bring in some quality players.

Surely it depends who we think we can get.

Would you trade Naughton or Bailey Smith? Both drafted on the past 2 years and already a big pat of our team. By trading our first pick we’re trading the chance to get another one of those guys.

[GVGjr]

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Surely it depends who we think we can get.

Would you trade Naughton or Bailey Smith? Both drafted on the past 2 years and already a big pat of our team. By trading our first pick we’re trading the chance to get another one of those guys.

Certainly not but I don't buy the argument that by not using pick 12 we lose a player of their quality.
The list is young enough and every now and then it's OK to trade for ready made players.

[soupman]

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Would you trade Naughton or Bailey Smith? Both drafted on the past 2 years and already a big pat of our team. By trading our first pick we’re trading the chance to get another one of those guys.

Firstly trading pick 14 is very different to trading pick 6.

Secondly, and mainly, draft picks are severely overrated. We have had a truly amazing run hitting the lights out with early picks but how long can that continue?

Our side at the moment has some glaring holes. We desperately need a good key defender. We need a pacy forward that can create forward of centre. And if we can get a quality big body up forward to compliment and assist Naughton and Schache then we should do that.

Drafting won't fix those issues. There has been maybe two players off the top of my head drafted in the last ten years that were ready to go key defenders, Harry Taylor and Aaron Naughton. Pacy forwards are available, but the hit rate is low and considering our biggest success in that department for the last 12 years was Harbrow i don't think we can rely on drafting to fix that problem. And as for the key forward issue Naughton is just about the first key forward we have drafted ever I actually rate so we aren't drafting to fix that.

You draft to create the base of your side and create a core, but once that core is developed and you want to take the next step a few well placed trades can rapidly turn you into a much better side. That's the stage we are up to now.