Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

[azabob]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

Thanks.

Both Cameron and Lynch are OOC at the end of this year.

Should we go after Lynch?

Honestly I'm not sure we could offer Lynch or Cameron more senior game time than they are currently getting which may be a tough sell to get one of them across the line.

Clearly a lot has happened within the space of 20 odd days.

We could offer them senior game time!

[Mantis]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

I think we will have a couple of options to pick from. The question I have is do we chase a forward or a midfielder and try and make Bont into a forward?

Bont is Brownlow favourite due to being the best player in the comp as a midfielder who can roll forward... why would we be looking to change that?

And I think Pendlebury will be at Bris or GC next year... if you follow his socials he's totally over lockdown life in Melb and I think he will be looking to escape... don't blame him TBH.

[Mofra]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

We can't fit our midfielders in now - Pendlebury isn't the player I'd target regardless of what he's achieved in his career.
Cameron is their no 1 KPF, I think he stays.
Max Lynch (apologies for sounding like a broken record) would probably be my no 1 realistic trade target out of every OOC player in the competition.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

Why wouldn't he just stay at Collingwood and do that? He doesn't even know who the coach is going to be....

He said he’s only ever known this one club. For his development as a future coach he needs to go elsewhere to broaden himself. Now or later I guess.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

So they currently have 1,768 Draft Points. Having pissed away Pick 2 for this draft last year. Honestly, their fans should demand everyone there get sacked and start again. But alas.

They have 1,768 Draft Points and likely less by the time Free Agency compo shuffles them down. Possibly as low as 1,600 Draft Points.

Nick Daicos at Pick 1 as is universally expected requires 2,400 Draft Points (After 20% Discount).

So their options:

a) Take in a huge Draft Point Deficit into 2022 losing their expected good First Rounder

b) Trade at the fringes (Cox, Lynch etc.). Take a smaller Draft Point Deficit, causing a slight downgrade of the expected good First Rounder.

* Note here the above limits trading activities. Reporting has them into Lipinski. They don’t have draft picks this year to get it done. A future pick wouldn’t help us find points this year for Lipinski. They are limited to future picks to bring in Lipinski or others.

** They also have no presence in the draft outside Daicos and super late picks. Not great for rebuilding.

c) Trade something of decent value. Bring in a First Rounder plus a player of interest (perhaps a future pick swap if good enough player offered). End the salary cap strain once and for all.


Our First rounder Pick 12-18 is enough Draft Points for Collingwood to avoid a Draft Point Deficit. Add in Lipinski if reports are true. Add in taking on more of Treloar’s salary. While they take Daicos at Pick 1, keeping their 2022 First Rounder completely in tact, bringing in a desired player and freeing up a Third Rounder for another trade into the club, making any fringe trades to give them later presence in the National Draft, and end their salary cap problems.


It still seems to me both our needs and their needs can be met by working together. If they would put up for trade a player that facilitates all the benefits flow for both clubs. Let’s hope Collingwood see it the way I see it.

[jeemak]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

I'd play Pendles off half back next year because we don't have enough half backs and it's completely crazy and against my wishes just like playing Matthew Boyd there was.

Then I'd put Bailey Williams up to a wing to make use of his high marking on the press as an interceptor.

[comrade]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

I'd play Pendles off half back next year because we don't have enough half backs and it's completely crazy and against my wishes just like playing Matthew Boyd there was.

Then I'd put Bailey Williams up to a wing to make use of his high marking on the press as an interceptor.

That would actually be fun as hell for a season or 2.

Bailey Williams to wing is surely on the cards eventually?

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

So they currently have 1,768 Draft Points. Having pissed away Pick 2 for this draft last year. Honestly, their fans should demand everyone there get sacked and start again. But alas.

They have 1,768 Draft Points and likely less by the time Free Agency compo shuffles them down. Possibly as low as 1,600 Draft Points.

Nick Daicos at Pick 1 as is universally expected requires 2,400 Draft Points (After 20% Discount).

So their options:

a) Take in a huge Draft Point Deficit into 2022 losing their expected good First Rounder

b) Trade at the fringes (Cox, Lynch etc.). Take a smaller Draft Point Deficit, causing a slight downgrade of the expected good First Rounder.

* Note here the above limits trading activities. Reporting has them into Lipinski. They don’t have draft picks this year to get it done. A future pick wouldn’t help us find points this year for Lipinski. They are limited to future picks to bring in Lipinski or others.

** They also have no presence in the draft outside Daicos and super late picks. Not great for rebuilding.

c) Trade something of decent value. Bring in a First Rounder plus a player of interest (perhaps a future pick swap if good enough player offered). End the salary cap strain once and for all.


Our First rounder Pick 12-18 is enough Draft Points for Collingwood to avoid a Draft Point Deficit. Add in Lipinski if reports are true. Add in taking on more of Treloar’s salary. While they take Daicos at Pick 1, keeping their 2022 First Rounder completely in tact, bringing in a desired player and freeing up a Third Rounder for another trade into the club, making any fringe trades to give them later presence in the National Draft, and end their salary cap problems.


It still seems to me both our needs and their needs can be met by working together. If they would put up for trade a player that facilitates all the benefits flow for both clubs. Let’s hope Collingwood see it the way I see it.

Off track but I haven't read much of Croft jnr. How good is he? Would he go for a high draft pick?

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

Off track but I haven't read much of Croft jnr. How good is he? Would he go for a high draft pick?

Mofra would be a better one to ask. KPF I do believe.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

Hopefully Moffra reads the post

[Bornadog]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

Hopefully Moffra reads the post

Croft is not eligible to be drafted till next year.

[Bornadog]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

AFL to tighten trade rules after Treloar deadline drama


Clubs will need to outline in detail how much of a traded player’s future contract they are expecting to pay before the AFL approves a deal, after a dispute arose between Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs following the last-minute Adam Treloar trade last year.

Both clubs held firm to their positions a week after the trade had gone through in a deadline scramble as the Magpies embarked on a fire sale on the final day of the 2020 trade period to ease the load on their salary cap.

Adam Treloar was traded to the Bulldogs on the deadline last year, but an actual agreement on how he would be paid took longer to sort out.

For years the system functioned without major issues via verbal agreements made about how payments of existing contracts were shared between the clubs making the trade.

However, with more complicated contracts and clubs becoming more creative in the way they manage salary caps, the AFL is aware after the Treloar experience that the possibility of disputes has risen.

AFL sources said the league was expected to get clubs to lodge financial arrangements in writing along with the trade details relating to draft picks and players.

This will add time at the front end but save disagreements between clubs after the trade period.

The Western Bulldogs were adamant they had not agreed to pay Treloar more than $600,000 a season for five years, with the Magpies to pay the balance, but the agreement was verbal.

Eventually the AFL intervened to sort the situation out. The result was the Bulldogs paying Treloar $600,000 a season and the balance being made up by the Magpies, who were comfortable in the finish with the impact on their salary cap.

The Treloar deal was the first time it had become an issue for the AFL.

[jeemak]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

That would actually be fun as hell for a season or 2.

Bailey Williams to wing is surely on the cards eventually?

Yes, and Twodogs having to admit that Pendles does in fact slow down time and space around him because he plays for the Bulldogs are solid reasons for making it happen.

Bailey will get his chance on the wing once he's worked his way through the ruck.

[jeemak]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

AFL to tighten trade rules after Treloar deadline drama


Clubs will need to outline in detail how much of a traded player’s future contract they are expecting to pay before the AFL approves a deal, after a dispute arose between Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs following the last-minute Adam Treloar trade last year.

Both clubs held firm to their positions a week after the trade had gone through in a deadline scramble as the Magpies embarked on a fire sale on the final day of the 2020 trade period to ease the load on their salary cap.

Adam Treloar was traded to the Bulldogs on the deadline last year, but an actual agreement on how he would be paid took longer to sort out.

For years the system functioned without major issues via verbal agreements made about how payments of existing contracts were shared between the clubs making the trade.

However, with more complicated contracts and clubs becoming more creative in the way they manage salary caps, the AFL is aware after the Treloar experience that the possibility of disputes has risen.

AFL sources said the league was expected to get clubs to lodge financial arrangements in writing along with the trade details relating to draft picks and players.

This will add time at the front end but save disagreements between clubs after the trade period.

The Western Bulldogs were adamant they had not agreed to pay Treloar more than $600,000 a season for five years, with the Magpies to pay the balance, but the agreement was verbal.

Eventually the AFL intervened to sort the situation out. The result was the Bulldogs paying Treloar $600,000 a season and the balance being made up by the Magpies, who were comfortable in the finish with the impact on their salary cap.

The Treloar deal was the first time it had become an issue for the AFL.

Man, this is a serious bush league revelation. All this time these goons have been spitting into their hands and shaking on it. That our club has been involved in something so unprofessional makes me shake my head.

What a bunch of clowns. All of them, and again, I'll say it. If they had a natural predator all of the hacks involved in the industry would be out of a job. They'd get torn to shreds.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Collingwood as a Trading Partner 2021

So they currently have 1,768 Draft Points. Having pissed away Pick 2 for this draft last year. Honestly, their fans should demand everyone there get sacked and start again. But alas.

They have 1,768 Draft Points and likely less by the time Free Agency compo shuffles them down. Possibly as low as 1,600 Draft Points.

Nick Daicos at Pick 1 as is universally expected requires 2,400 Draft Points (After 20% Discount).

So their options:

a) Take in a huge Draft Point Deficit into 2022 losing their expected good First Rounder

b) Trade at the fringes (Cox, Lynch etc.). Take a smaller Draft Point Deficit, causing a slight downgrade of the expected good First Rounder.

* Note here the above limits trading activities. Reporting has them into Lipinski. They don’t have draft picks this year to get it done. A future pick wouldn’t help us find points this year for Lipinski. They are limited to future picks to bring in Lipinski or others.

** They also have no presence in the draft outside Daicos and super late picks. Not great for rebuilding.

c) Trade something of decent value. Bring in a First Rounder plus a player of interest (perhaps a future pick swap if good enough player offered). End the salary cap strain once and for all.


Our First rounder Pick 12-18 is enough Draft Points for Collingwood to avoid a Draft Point Deficit. Add in Lipinski if reports are true. Add in taking on more of Treloar’s salary. While they take Daicos at Pick 1, keeping their 2022 First Rounder completely in tact, bringing in a desired player and freeing up a Third Rounder for another trade into the club, making any fringe trades to give them later presence in the National Draft, and end their salary cap problems.


It still seems to me both our needs and their needs can be met by working together. If they would put up for trade a player that facilitates all the benefits flow for both clubs. Let’s hope Collingwood see it the way I see it.

So Lippa may nominate the Pies. Collingwood confirmed they are still in salary cap problems. I’m feeling we can help each other if they put up a decent player.