Williamstown vs Sandringham Burbank Oval

[GVGjr]

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Why couldn't he and Ward both play in the middle together?
Are they very similar in playing styles and do you think this will affect them both playing together in the Doggies side?

And thanks for the reports GVGjr, comrade and others.

The midfield consisted of Johnson, Ward and Reid so O'Keefe was just the odd man out. Having said that, he got a bit more time there in the 2nd half.

[Bornadog]

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Any chance of Boumann moving into the Willi seniors soon?

Also, Tiller was listed as having a groin injury last week, so may have not come up.

[Mantis]

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Just a question - where do you see him fitting into a Bulldogs lineup, based on our current 22? He's played a majority of his football for Willy in a half back/midfield role - would it be worth moving him forward as he can take a really strong grab and is probably clever enough to gain some separation from his opponent?

I think he could play in any of the roles you have suggested. Long term I see him as a leading forward, but can suitably fill a role across half back or even on a wing. I think we are all aware that he is a talented player, but the main cause for concern is that the gap between his good and bad is quite large.

I would hope that he could string together a few good games (like the start of last season) and push his case for selection. I would love to see him action for the Dogs in the not to distant future as I think then and only then will we see if he has what it takes.

[Bulldog4life]

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Once again guys thanks for all of your reports and comments it really is appreciated. Just as aside I always print out the info and show my dad, who just happens to be turning 90 years of age next week and is still a member of our mighty Club. He too gets a lot of enjoyment from the info that you guys write.

[comrade]

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Any chance of Boumann moving into the Willi seniors soon?

I'm suprised he didn't start in the seniors based on his practice match form. Willy seniors has an abundance of height in the backline with Cloke, Meyer, Wight and most weeks at least one of Tiller and Everitt, which has probably worked against him.

I think Wight is probably under the gun as Boumann deserves a promotion - if he does play I think he'll start back and then move forward to stretch the opposition. Not many VFL defences could cover the height of Grant, Cordy, and Boumann, and also the speed and agility of guys like Little and Rose.

[GVGjr]

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I'm suprised he didn't start in the seniors based on his practice match form. Willy seniors has an abundance of height in the backline with Cloke, Meyer, Wight and most weeks at least one of Tiller and Everitt, which has probably worked against him.

I think Wight is probably under the gun as Boumann deserves a promotion - if he does play I think he'll start back and then move forward to stretch the opposition. Not many VFL defences could cover the height of Grant, Cordy, and Boumann, and also the speed and agility of guys like Little and Rose.

Based on form he should be in the senior side and hopefully it will be as a forward. The good thing about playing in the 2nds is that he gets a lot of variety in the positions he plays but I think his inclusion might depend more on if Scott Welsh is available and if Roughead is deemed fit enough. There is no real spot for him if the forward line consists of Welsh, Cordy, Roughead and Grant.

[comrade]

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Based on form he should be in the senior side and hopefully it will be as a forward. The good thing about playing in the 2nds is that he gets a lot of variety in the positions he plays but I think his inclusion might depend more on if Scott Welsh is available and if Roughead is deemed fit enough. There is no real spot for him if the forward line consists of Welsh, Cordy, Roughead and Grant.

It's a tough one because you never want to see a young talented player who is performing well, languishing in the reserves (I'm probably being harsh on the quality of the ressies comp). The fact is that there are a lot of good players at Willy and they're in good form so it makes it hard to squeeze players in but that's what finding the balance between development and performance at an aligned club is all about.

I don't want to harp on and seem like a Cam Wight basher (I'm also not one for sending a player to Coventry), but his spot seems the obvious one up for grabs - a Bulldog for a Bulldog. He didn't do a lot wrong yesterday but his disposal was average at times (he missed a short pass to a leading Grant right in front of me) and he just won't get any better. If Boumann takes his spot I think he'll perform atleast as well in defence and it gives Gotch the opportunity to swing him forward if needed.

Maybe that would give Wight an opportunity to really show something and dominate in order to gain a senior spot back.

[bulldogtragic]

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It's a tough one because you never want to see a young talented player who is performing well, languishing in the reserves (I'm probably being harsh on the quality of the ressies comp). The fact is that there are a lot of good players at Willy and they're in good form so it makes it hard to squeeze players in but that's what finding the balance between development and performance at an aligned club is all about.

I don't want to harp on and seem like a Cam Wight basher (I'm also not one for sending a player to Coventry), but his spot seems the obvious one up for grabs - a Bulldog for a Bulldog. He didn't do a lot wrong yesterday but his disposal was average at times (he missed a short pass to a leading Grant right in front of me) and he just won't get any better. If Boumann takes his spot I think he'll perform atleast as well in defence and it gives Gotch the opportunity to swing him forward if needed.

Maybe that would give Wight an opportunity to really show something and dominate in order to gain a senior spot back.

Here. Here.

If takes it as an insult and proves us all wrong and comes back and then puts pressure to play AFL.

Or he contoniues his medicority at a level that really affects no-one whilst allowing someone else to prove themselves in a senior spot.

Whoever signed the 2 year deal on him needs a firm talking to.

[Bornadog]

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Here. Here.

If takes it as an insult and proves us all wrong and comes back and then puts pressure to play AFL.

Or he continues his medicority at a level that really affects no-one whilst allowing someone else to prove themselves in a senior spot.

Whoever signed the 2 year deal on him needs a firm talking to.

When the two year deal was signed he was a rising 21 year old, 200 plus cm, very few talls in the 38 players and showing some potential. Unfortunately, he hasn't shown us that potential and hasn't really progressed in those two years. Given circumstances again, you would still sign him up for two years.

[dogman]

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I went along yesterday, all the summaries have covered the players. I concentrated on Grant. He did some really nice things and also a few concerning things too. Firstly he spent a fair bit of time on and off the ground. I would have thought that a forward wouldn't get rotated as often as a midfielder but thats the way it appeared.

As it was said in an earlier post, he really looked disinterested. He was put to task about this at 3 quarter time by one of the coaches. He just would get really frustrated when his team mates didn't kick it to him and then would stop leading. But he doesn't demand the ball, raising your hand in the air isn't demanding enough. He has to become allot more vocal if he is to succeed. I remember Aker saying that he couldn't work out why the bulldogs would go so often to Johnson till he played with him, he is just so loud and demands it. Thats what Grant needs to to, because he has all the skills.

I also don't believe that he is really a team player, the goal he kicked was from a holding a ball decision. O'keefe had tackled a player, Grant came in late and also put his hands on the player and when the umpire blew the whistle he automatically claimed the free kick, which I don't have a problem with. The problem I had was when he kicked the goal and O'keefe was in close proximity he didn't acknowledge O'keefe for the tackle.

These are the things he has to work on, mainly his attitude. But he has amazing speed, great sticky hands and has a few tricks. Just hope he doesn't get ahead of himself as he really has to work super hard to make it in the AFL.

[bulldogtragic]

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Here. Here.

If takes it as an insult and proves us all wrong and comes back and then puts pressure to play AFL.

Or he continues his medicority at a level that really affects no-one whilst allowing someone else to prove themselves in a senior spot.

Whoever signed the 2 year deal on him needs a firm talking to.

When the two year deal was signed he was a rising 21 year old, 200 plus cm, very few talls in the 38 players and showing some potential. Unfortunately, he hasn't shown us that potential and hasn't really progressed in those two years. Given circumstances again, you would still sign him up for two years.

Maybe.

But by then, he has 4 years in the system and did nothing. I'd argue the only reason he was in the team was because of height, i don't recall too mnay games that i would classify as showing great potential.

Perhaps a use of an emoticon may have helped, i wasn't literallly suggesting we get together before the game, find out who it was and point our fingers into their chests.

That said in hindsight where noone makes mistakes i wish we hasn't done it. It's s seperate argument whether he was showing enough potential to demand two years. I perhaps would have liked to sign him to one. As i wasn't a party to the negotiations i don't know enough about the instricises, but as an outsider with then gift of hindsight, perhaps one would have been better.

But thems the breaks. Thus, i revert to my original point and question to GVGjr, send him to the magoos and Elevate the Bou and lets continue to grow and develop the list as it appears Wight isn't a aprt of our future anymore from match reports in 2009.

[Bornadog]

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Thus, i revert to my original point and question to GVGjr, send him to the magoos and Elevate the Bou and lets continue to grow and develop the list as it appears Wight isn't a aprt of our future anymore from match reports in 2009.

I am all for promoting Boumann, the past is what it is and if Wight is not playing well at VFL seniors then he should go to the VFL reserves.

[bulldogtragic]

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I am all for promoting Boumann, the past is what it is and if Wight is not playing well at VFL seniors then he should go to the VFL reserves.

I agree too.

My issue with Wight not coming on and in looking forward is also list management for the end of this year.

If Skip and Wight get the chop, and Aker retires (???), O'Shea as much as i love his attack - things just don't seem to work for him, and if Stack and Lynch are looked at, if Eagle is tapped on the shoulder, if any kids leave for more game time (ala Farren) - Some rookies don't quite look making it past the 2 years that get either. There will be a fair amount of movement.

Or perhaps it's not a problem if Libba and Wallis are F/S and Picken is elevated and Hudson and Johnson go around form at least another year.

[chef]

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I agree too.

My issue with Wight not coming on and in looking forward is also list management for the end of this year.

If Skip and Wight get the chop, and Aker retires (???), O'Shea as much as i love his attack - things just don't seem to work for him, and if Stack and Lynch are looked at, if Eagle is tapped on the shoulder, if any kids leave for more game time (ala Farren) - Some rookies don't quite look making it past the 2 years that get either. There will be a fair amount of movement.

Or perhaps it's not a porblem if Libba and Wallis are F/S and Picken is elevated and Hudson and Johnson go around form at least another year.

They can't be picked until next years draft. This years draft is meant to be the worst/shallowest in a long time according to an article in the Herald Sun today.

[bulldogtragic]

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They can't be picked until next years draft. This years draft is meant to be the worst/shallowest in a long time according to an article in the Herald Sun today.

Makes for an interesting period of list management at the end of the year then.