Williamstown Teams: Round 3

[ledge]

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We have a history of turning our goal kickers into defenders, maybe thats why we struggle to find a forward.

[Mantis]

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We have a history of turning our goal kickers into defenders, maybe thats why we struggle to find a forward.

Which regular goal kickers have become defenders?.... And don't tell me blokes like Tiller who was never a regular goal kicker.

[ledge]

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Lake and Tiller came as a forward, bit hard to be a regular goal kicker when your relegated to backline early in the piece , i remember Tiller kicking 4 i think it was in one of his early games but whammo down back he goes.

We even started seeing Aker in the backline after years of being a forward.

I cant remember other names but now its Panos, cant believe Hall wasnt used to fill Lakes injury at some stage the way we go about it
, seems we recruit forwards then throw them back and then supporters say we have no forward line...thats maybe why.

[Happy Days]

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Lake and Tiller came as a forward, bit hard to be a regular goal kicker when your relegated to backline early in the piece , i remember Tiller kicking 4 i think it was in one of his early games but whammo down back he goes.

Lake? As in that dude who was All World full back a couple of years ago? Yeah it's terrible we didn't develop him as a forward

As for Tiller, if he were up to it (both in terms of ability and durability) he'd still be around.

[Mantis]

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Lake and Tiller came as a forward, bit hard to be a regular goal kicker when your relegated to backline early in the piece , i remember Tiller kicking 4 i think it was in one of his early games but whammo down back he goes.

We even started seeing Aker in the backline after years of being a forward.

I cant remember other names but now its Panos, cant believe Hall wasnt used to fill Lakes injury at some stage the way we go about it
, seems we recruit forwards then throw them back and then supporters say we have no forward line...thats maybe why.

Harris (Lake) played forward in the seniors before moving to defence, but wasn't a regular goal kicker and moved back... That was a terrible move.

Tiller wasn't up to it as a forward so was tried elsewhere to further his career.

Also Aker was an AA defender so it wasn't a stretch to play him down there every so often.

[ledge]

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So now we find players who kick goals and still put them down back (Panos).

[ledge]

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Harris (Lake) played forward in the seniors before moving to defence, but wasn't a regular goal kicker and moved back... That was a terrible move.

Tiller wasn't up to it as a forward so was tried elsewhere to further his career.

Also Aker was an AA defender so it wasn't a stretch to play him down there every so often.

Both werent given long chances in the foward line, and Harris took a while to become a back men he was seriously scary down there. didnt get the same amount of time up forward.

Fact is we recruit forwards then throw them down back confuse the hell out of them then spend 2 years turning them into backman.
Oh look how good he is as a backman.. well if we spent the same amount of time teaching them the forward line which is what they played as juniors it would make it one year earlier they are ready as forwards.

My rant!

[FrediKanoute]

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We have a history of turning our goal kickers into defenders, maybe thats why we struggle to find a forward.

Frustrating isn't it! I realise that not everyone can be a forward and we have done pretty well with some of our forwards going back, but it means we are scraping around for forwards quite a bit of the time. Panos seems to be the latest example.

[LostDoggy]

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Maybe we have a history of recruiting poor forwards? I don't count the current vfl/vfa goal kickers as history lesson on good forwards.

[Ghost Dog]

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Both werent given long chances in the foward line, and Harris took a while to become a back men he was seriously scary down there. didnt get the same amount of time up forward.

Fact is we recruit forwards then throw them down back confuse the hell out of them then spend 2 years turning them into backman.
Oh look how good he is as a backman.. well if we spent the same amount of time teaching them the forward line which is what they played as juniors it would make it one year earlier they are ready as forwards.

My rant!

Ledge I wasn't in Australia when Brian started off with the club. Didn't see much of his early days. Was he a bit all over the place was he? May be good for Marko knockers to keep this in mind, if true. Takes a while for players to develop and some patience will be required.

[Mantis]

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Both werent given long chances in the foward line, and Harris took a while to become a back men he was seriously scary down there. didnt get the same amount of time up forward.

Fact is we recruit forwards then throw them down back confuse the hell out of them then spend 2 years turning them into backman.
Oh look how good he is as a backman.. well if we spent the same amount of time teaching them the forward line which is what they played as juniors it would make it one year earlier they are ready as forwards.

My rant!

Build a bridge ledge.. Tiller wasn't up to it and Lake was (maybe is) a gun defender.

[LostDoggy]

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I can't even remember Harris(Lake) playing up forward let alone kicking many goals at VFL level.

[ledge]

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Build a bridge ledge.. Tiller wasn't up to it and Lake was (maybe is) a gun defender.

But we didnt know that until he was down there a couple of years, it was a gamble that came off, the odd one will but it seems we rob Peter to pay Paul at times, admittedly we had a good forward line back then but now we tend to still take a forward and take him back.

Panos seems to be the only one who has stepped up at Willy as a forward but we now put him in the back line, why is that?
I have a liking for Campbell too up forward with Cordy, Minson and Roughy our rucks i am hoping some how he can slot in as a CHF or FF next year or later on this year, I tend to think Minson is in trouble now with these three coming on.

[Mofra]

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Most badckman played forward in their junior days, as that's where talented players were often needed the most - CHF, the hardest position on the ground. It's not confined to the Bulldogs.

Presti was a "high leaping" forward when drafted, Fossie started as a forward, Markovic played CHF in the VFL pre-knee injury, Shoenmakers played CHF at TAC Cup level. Heck, even Ling started as a FF.

We could draft pure defenders if it makes people feel better - our last first round CHB was Everitt...

[ledge]

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Most badckman played forward in their junior days, as that's where talented players were often needed the most - CHF, the hardest position on the ground. It's not confined to the Bulldogs.

Presti was a "high leaping" forward when drafted, Fossie started as a forward, Markovic played CHF in the VFL pre-knee injury, Shoenmakers played CHF at TAC Cup level. Heck, even Ling started as a FF.

We could draft pure defenders if it makes people feel better - our last first round CHB was Everitt...

I dont debate that but we are screaming out for a forward, so we turn the only forward kicking goals in the VFL into backman?
We are looking for forwards not backman.