Williamstown v Werribee Round 3

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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How do you have 37 disposals, 3 goals and not be BOG?

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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No drama. God I hope we get there

We'll get there, we'll get a couple of good picks next draft and if we draft as well as the last one or even better then we will develop from there. It is possible to stuff up draft picks and the development of the players but I don't think we will. We have a good club with people like Chris Grant, Brad Johnson, Gordon, BMac,Scarlett, etc to steer the ship. We are important to the AFL as the only team in the expanding west of Melbourne. We'll see success of some form in the next few years. We'll see some beltings before that so girdle your loins, they'll make the eventual turnaround sweeter. I like you postings, I respect them and think yours are all worth a read.

[Happy Days]

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How do you have 37 disposals, 3 goals and not be BOG?

Typical VFL reporting, an AFL player is never named BOG. I remember a game Sam Reid basically won by himself, and when they gave some medal to Ben Jolley he was almost too embarrassed to take it.

[Hotdog60]

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Typical VFL reporting, an AFL player is never named BOG. I remember a game Sam Reid basically won by himself, and when they gave some medal to Ben Jolley he was almost too embarrassed to take it.

I suppose if you think about it an AFL player should do well at that level if he's any good. So rewarding the regular rather than the blow in.

[Bornadog]

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I suppose if you think about it an AFL player should do well at that level if he's any good. So rewarding the regular rather than the blow in.

I thought BOG is for BOG

[Cyberdoggie]

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The only thing poorer than his professionalism is his courage.

I'd rather we recruited Elijah Wood.

Haha, as long as Sam is there to help him he would be alright

[jeemak]

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I suppose if you think about it an AFL player should do well at that level if he's any good. So rewarding the regular rather than the blow in.

Hardly call Vesz a blow in for Willi though would you? He's played more games for them than he has for the Bulldogs.

On the topic of players dominating at the lower level versus the top level, there's been many a good VFL player that has cut it up that just wouldn't have the tools to make it at the top level.

It's like ammo/semi professional teams going up a grade after having a successful year. Some players in the successful year seem out at sea once the pace goes up, while others who didn't dominate in the lower grade, but played consistently well, put in the same level of performance once the competition goes up a gear.

Didn't see the game, so it's hard to comment on whether Vesz truly deserved BOG accolades however, if he doesn't get a game this week I'd be a touch disappointed as he's put his name forward twice in two weeks and should be rewarded for that.

Particularly considering the performances of our senior team and the players he's competing with for a spot.

[MrMahatma]

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I reckon he's earned a 3-4 week run at the dogs. He should be given every opportunity to prove himself.

[Hotdog60]

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I thought BOG is for BOG

As it should be, but from an outside view which could be totally wrong. I get the impression there could be a be of class status thing happening.

[Bornadog]

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VFL report card: Vesz fires

Western Bulldogs Development Coach Peter German dissects how each of the Bulldogs listed players fared in Williamstown's defeat over Werribee on Sunday.

Fletcher Roberts: Played his first senior game for the season and scored three goals with three kicks, so not a bad return. It was probably a game for him to get back into the swing of senior VFL footy. It was great to have him back into the side, we know he is a smart footballer but probably needed a run to realise he needs to bring the tempo up.

Michael Talia: Talia was really good. He defended well on his opponent and won a bit of the ball – he had about 22 possessions and gave us some good rebound at times. It was an exciting game from him.

Daniel Pearce: He started down back and it was probably a slow start, but once he got into gear, some of his attack on the ball and his defensive actions were really strong and aggressive. A lot of them resulted in some great rebound from our back half and then we put him in the midfield and he won a couple of centre clearances in there. He is really starting to develop his game and show his versatility.

Christian Howard: Howie was good, we played him on the wing. He laid six really strong tackles, and really gave his opponent very little space. The pleasing thing was he combined both parts of his game and that is what we wanted him to focus on and he did that really well.

Dylan Addison: His first half was excellent as a forward, he really hit the ball hard and he was strong and physical at the contest. Had a couple of shots on goal and was responsible for another couple of goals with his pressure. For his first game back we were pleased with his input. He faded in the second half, which we expected after missing a fair bit of footy since pre-season - but hopefully he can use that as a springboard to win his place back in the senior team.

Tom Campbell: We played him a bit more forward this week, we felt that is part of his development. He was probably not as effective as he would have liked but when he went into the ruck, I felt that his ruck play was as good as I’ve seen it – his follow up, he laid five or six tackles and gave the mids some really good service at ground level and at stoppages. We will keep chipping away and working on his forward craft.

Lukas Markovic: Marko was great down back. I have watched the game a couple of times and I can’t remember a time where he got beaten by his opponent. He was fantastic and gave us some good rebound as well, with his ball use.

Jarrad Grant: Granty started really well, again he showed in the first half that he’s got that x factor with speed and agility, while his ability to be able to recover quickly is second to none.

Tom Williams: It was disappointing, five minutes in he [pulled up with some adductor tightness], so he wasn’t able to play a further part in the game.

Patrick Veszpremi: It was probably played the best game I’ve seen him play – might even be the best game he has ever played. He had 37 possessions but it wasn’t so much that he got a lot of the ball, it was more how he won it. We’ve pushed him about his running ability, and I thought he covered the ground really well. He didn’t get the outside ball ahead of the play, he got back to the contest and supported his teammates and I was pleased with the way he played. He kicked three goals – and could have kicked six or seven. I am thrilled for him and it should be a big confidence booster for him.

Mark Austin: Aussie has been right up there as our best defender over the past couple of weeks. He is a really good competitor, and was given the job on [Ben] Warren, who is the leading goal kicker this year and I don’t think he kicked a goal - so that probably tells the story of his day.

Development League:

Lachie Hunter: He started playing as a forward and now we are starting to rotate him through the midfield and he is really starting to grow into that role. We are really pleased in how he is starting to think more professionally, his training standards have lifted and it is starting to come out in his game. He has taken on all the challenges so far and he is meeting them head on. I don’t think it will be too long until he is playing senior VFL footy.

Josh Prudden: Josh is the same – he is a pro. He is a great kid who is really professional and diligent about how he goes about his football and how he prepares. He had 27 or 28 possessions again on the weekend and he is a pure onballer. He is very smart, he is good around stoppages, he really keeps his feet in congestion under pressure and makes good decisions. Before too long Josh will get his opportunity and I am sure by the end of the year he will be playing some good VFL footy.

[The Doctor]

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really good read that.

[westdog54]

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You're just completely missing the point. You're 2nd para has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

I don't care if we recruit Wood or not. I just used him as an example (and I do think he can play, so maybe I'm wrong, who gives a shit) but if he or some else is better then we would be negligent in not bringing them in if we have an opportunity.

I don't want people at our club who will direct us to the bottom as is currently the case. I want people at our club who will direct us to a premiership, whether that be the CEO, Wood, or the water girls!

You're right. Cameron Wood probably is marginally better than Campbell and Cordy. He's also older and has 6 and 3 years more experience on an AFL list, so it stands to reason he's performing reasonably at VFL level.

For Heavens sake, Campbell is in his second year and Cordy is just coming into what had been a severely hampered development. You'd have us throw that away for the sake of a ruckman who is so sub-par at AFL level that Collingwood decided that there were not one, not two, but three blokes who were a better option? Why don't we bring back Sherman and Djerkurra while we're at it. Jadon Laycock was playing Foxtel Cup on the weekend if you're really keen.

If you seriously think that players like Cameron Wood will 'direct us to a premiership' then I for one am glad you're not involved in running the club. Hell, I wouldn't trust you to carry the water.

[The Doctor]

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You're right. Cameron Wood probably is marginally better than Campbell and Cordy. He's also older and has 6 and 3 years more experience on an AFL list, so it stands to reason he's performing reasonably at VFL level.

For Heavens sake, Campbell is in his second year and Cordy is just coming into what had been a severely hampered development. You'd have us throw that away for the sake of a ruckman who is so sub-par at AFL level that Collingwood decided that there were not one, not two, but three blokes who were a better option? Why don't we bring back Sherman and Djerkurra while we're at it. Jadon Laycock was playing Foxtel Cup on the weekend if you're really keen.

If you seriously think that players like Cameron Wood will 'direct us to a premiership' then I for one am glad you're not involved in running the club. Hell, I wouldn't trust you to carry the water.

You need to re-read my posts. My whole point is about improving the list.

I never said Wood would direct us to a premiership. I said he would be better than some of what we have (argue that as much as you like that's fine with me). I also said we should also immediately be looking to replace him with someone better. We continue that not only in this instance but with others as well until we do have a team that can compete for a premiership.

I've also said here somewhere the club did the right thing in getting rid of Sherman, Djekurra et al. I also said Dwyer from Port Melb would be a better option on our list than Howard. Collingwood are now the beneficiary of his services.

As for the guys running the club they are doing a great job steering us to the bottom. So they don't need my help. Are you happy with them?

[GVGjr]

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I never said Wood would direct us to a premiership. I said he would be better than some of what we have (argue that as much as you like that's fine with me). I also said we should also immediately be looking to replace him with someone better. We continue that not only in this instance but with others as well until we do have a team that can compete for a premiership.

I've also said here somewhere the club did the right thing in getting rid of Sherman, Djekurra et al. I also said Dwyer from Port Melb would be a better option on our list than Howard. Collingwood are now the beneficiary of his services.

Doc, agree with most of what you have written and I know you were wanting the Dogs to draft or rookie list Dwyer for a couple of years at least. Our loss is the Pies gain.

Wood in an interesting one, I suspect he might be in consideration of a team prepared to rookie list him as an insurance to injuries but I tend to think that he might struggle to get back onto the senior list unless he has a great year with Williamstown.
It's harder now for ruckman because there is a requirement that 2nd ruckman need to be able to add significant value to the forward line structure. I doubt Wood can do that consistently.

Sherman was a bad selection to replace Harbrow and DJ a reasonable punt than didn't pay off.

I'm happy to see what Howard can do this year and I still think he's the type of player we can keep on a list for a while longer.

I have my doubts that Campbell can make it as a ruckman / forward but we have to give him some more time.

[Remi Moses]

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You need to re-read my posts. My whole point is about improving the list.

I never said Wood would direct us to a premiership. I said he would be better than some of what we have (argue that as much as you like that's fine with me). I also said we should also immediately be looking to replace him with someone better. We continue that not only in this instance but with others as well until we do have a team that can compete for a premiership.

I've also said here somewhere the club did the right thing in getting rid of Sherman, Djekurra et al. I also said Dwyer from Port Melb would be a better option on our list than Howard. Collingwood are now the beneficiary of his services.

As for the guys running the club they are doing a great job steering us to the bottom. So they don't need my help. Are you happy with them?

The guys running the club steering us to the bottom is a really silly and ill thought out comment.
Giansuricusa in Griff out , means we'll probably have 15 players at least who have played less than 50 games. I know some supporters think the term rebuild is complete b/s and a cop out but it's reality that we are. I Won't go through the players we've lost over the last few years.
Just out of interest what were you expecting? Top 4 again?