Recruiting Rumour File 2013

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  • G-Mo77
    Bulldog Team of the Century
    • Apr 2007
    • 9876

    Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

    Originally posted by Hotdog60
    If you are confident in your playing ability you shouldn't have a problem with the deal. If I was Grant I would be after some injury insurance in that deal but if he can hold his place in the seniors the extra years will be added.
    If I was in his position I'd want both years guaranteed.

    For all we know Brisbane are offering 3 years or more cash. Maybe he's already made up his mind to go there.

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    • chef
      Hall of Fame
      • Nov 2008
      • 14617

      Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

      Originally posted by ledge
      Grant was offered 1 year and a 2nd depending on games played if he thinks he is good enough to get a game then he shouldn't be worried about 2nd year it will come automatically
      Yep, this.

      If he wants longer thsn that he's dreaming.
      The curse is dead.

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      • Scorlibo
        Coaching Staff
        • Oct 2007
        • 3087

        Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

        Originally posted by ledge
        Grant was offered 1 year and a 2nd depending on games played if he thinks he is good enough to get a game then he shouldn't be worried about 2nd year it will come automatically
        So on this basis we should offer every one of our players 1 year and say, "what's the problem? If you're good enough you'll earn a second and a third!"?
        'And the Western suburbs erupt!'

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        • bulldogtragic
          The List Manager
          • Jan 2007
          • 34289

          Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

          Originally posted by Scorlibo
          So on this basis we should offer every one of our players 1 year and say, "what's the problem? If you're good enough you'll earn a second and a third!"?
          Beat me to it.

          Crameri should stay at Essendon because if he's good enough he will play the 4th year at Essendon that we are offering.
          Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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          • Greystache
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Dec 2009
            • 9775

            Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

            Originally posted by bulldogtragic
            Beat me to it.

            Crameri should stay at Essendon because if he's good enough he will play the 4th year we are offering.
            There's a bit of a difference between a guy who's won the club's goal kicking 3 consecutive years and a guy who's managed 58 games in 6 years and was only a late season form reversal away from being delisted.

            I think it's pretty clear the club thinks Grant is a coaster, and that if they offer him a straight 2 years, next year is likely to be a write off before he again pulls his finger out in the final year of his contract. For me he's in no position to be demanding anything more, he's never shown any consistent output and is still trading on the potential tag. If another club wants to take the chance he'll one day come good, and we can get adequate compensation, I'm happy enough to lose him. I suspect if he gets a 3 year deal at another club you will see him play a lot of lower league footy in the next 24 months.
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            • Greystache
              Bulldog Team of the Century
              • Dec 2009
              • 9775

              Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

              Originally posted by Scorlibo
              So on this basis we should offer every one of our players 1 year and say, "what's the problem? If you're good enough you'll earn a second and a third!"?
              No, just long term players with no consistent form to justify anything more.

              Club's aren't charities, if you don't deliver on game then you have no right to expect long term security. I'm alarmed at how much stock people are taking out of a few good games late in a season.
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              • chef
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2008
                • 14617

                Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

                Originally posted by Scorlibo
                So on this basis we should offer every one of our players 1 year and say, "what's the problem? If you're good enough you'll earn a second and a third!"?
                This is a guy thats produced a handful of decent games in 3 years.

                A 2 year deal is fair enough IMO. He should be thankful for the show of faith Macca gave him which lead to the turnaround in his career and im sure he can understand why he needs to earn that extra year.
                The curse is dead.

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                • bulldogtragic
                  The List Manager
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 34289

                  Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

                  Originally posted by Greystache
                  There's a bit of a difference between a guy who's won the club's goal kicking 3 consecutive years and a guy who's managed 58 games in 6 years and was only a late season form reversal away from being delisted.

                  I think it's pretty clear the club thinks Grant is a coaster, and that if they offer him a straight 2 years, next year is likely to be a write off before he again pulls his finger out in the final year of his contract. For me he's in no position to be demanding anything more, he's never shown any consistent output and is still trading on the potential tag. If another club wants to take the chance he'll one day come good, and we can get adequate compensation, I'm happy enough to lose him. I suspect if he gets a 3 year deal at another club you will see him play a lot of lower league footy in the next 24 months.
                  I have no problem with making him sweat. None.

                  My posts are only based on IF they trade him for pick 30 owing to a games clause second year as a sticking point.
                  Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                  • Greystache
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 9775

                    Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

                    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                    I have no problem with making him sweat. None.

                    My posts are only based on IF they trade him for pick 30 owing to a games clause second year as a sticking point.
                    I think if they trade him for pick 30 rather than give him a guaranteed 2 years they are announcing they have no faith he's ever going to consistently apply himself. If they feel that way then best trade him now while his value is reasonable.
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                    • 1eyedog
                      Hall of Fame
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 13235

                      Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

                      Originally posted by Remi Moses
                      Got a god awful feeling we'll trade Grant for pick 28 and give both 22 and 28 to that lot.
                      Would be disappointed in this if it happens.
                      But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                      • LostDoggy
                        WOOF Member
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 8307

                        Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

                        Jared Polec heading into Melbourne today...

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                        • azabob
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 15304

                          Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

                          Originally posted by Greystache
                          I think if they trade him for pick 30 rather than give him a guaranteed 2 years they are announcing they have no faith he's ever going to consistently apply himself. If they feel that way then best trade him now while his value is reasonable.
                          The Grant scenario is very similar to Josh Hill and Everitt situation, we waited a year too long on those trades.
                          More of an In Bruges guy?

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                          • azabob
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 15304

                            Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

                            Originally posted by Cricho54
                            Jared Polec heading into Melbourne today...
                            Club or city? : )
                            More of an In Bruges guy?

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                            • LostDoggy
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8307

                              Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

                              Originally posted by azabob
                              Club or city? : )
                              Haha looks like he's headed down for a bit of time off, FWIW I'd rather Polec than Docherty.

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                              • Topdog
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 7471

                                Re: Recruiting Rumour File 2013

                                Originally posted by G-Mo77
                                We're all saying Crameri is only worth pick #22 but Grant is in the exact same position right now and you've got people asking for more?
                                Crameri has stated he wants to leave.
                                Grant has not.

                                HUGE difference.

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