TAC Cup & Australian U/18's Comps 2014

[bulldogtragic]

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To a degree, but I'm also talking about a key position player where everyone raves about their ability below their knees and their ability to play a number of roles, but not their ability to mark or use their height and strength to win the footy. Athleticism and agility is a great asset to a key position player who is a dominant threat in a marking contest. If that's all they've got then they've got cream but no cake.

Just thinking about it, I'm pretty much describing Ayce Cordy and why a player like him is an unreasonable risk as an early pick. Goddard sounds a bit the same.

Poor Ayce... If we're low enough and Wright is still in play, I want him. I saw him a few weeks ago and those things you want he has already, and he's a bloody monster, bigger than Tom Boyd. Might be a bit slippery this week at Optus Oval (or whatever shit name it is now) so I'm looking forward to see how he goes in these expected positions.

[GVGjr]

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The other commentary I have seen regarding Goddard from U18 followers is that despite his physical prowess, he very rarely threatens to take over a game. you'll note that a lot of this commentary is qualitative so its hard to measure its accuracy, but its interesting nonetheless. See below:

Hugh Goddard (VIC - KPP)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 93kg, DOB: 24/08/1996
Recruited from: Geelong Falcons
Style:
Player comparison: Sam Day
Range: 1-10
Profile: Goddard is one of the star key position players this year and has the ability to play both forward and back well. He’s got exceptional pace, agility and an excellent leap. Has a long kick for his age. And has some ability at ground level, so there is plenty to work with. There is just that little bit of something dominant missing to his game though. As a forward Goddard in the TAC can kick three goals a game every week but it’s almost always a quiet three goals. He just doesn’t feel like he’s going to take over games and you don’t really notice his impact as more a component to winning rather than a centrepiece and a reason for winning. He just lacks the presence to his game that the other premier key forwards of the competition have and doesn’t have that same feel that he’ll go off as a goalkicking threat like those other real high end key forwards have which is why I rate him lower than the other top key position players. I wouldn’t draft Goddard expecting him to become the no.1 option up forward but as a no.2 option he’d be an excellent get.

They are good observations and being the number 2 option as a forward shouldn't stop someone being drafted early. He is very talented and has that great burst of pace so I will be interested to see what position some of the experts think he can fill at the senior level.

[wimberga]

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They are good observations and being the number 2 option as a forward shouldn't stop someone being drafted early. He is very talented and has that great burst of pace so I will be interested to see what position some of the experts think he can fill at the senior level.

Your definitely not wrong GVG - I guess I was just trying to give more colour as to perhaps why Goddard is seemingly being regarded as behind Wright/McCartin/Durdin

[boydogs]

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The Goddard write up reminds me of Jones. Pace, agility, leap, long kick, just doesn't dominate games.

We need someone who gives repeat leads, gets separation on their opponent, finds space, leads to the right spots, and takes marks on the lead, in 1 on 1 marking contests and in packs

[GVGjr]

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Your definitely not wrong GVG - I guess I was just trying to give more colour as to perhaps why Goddard is seemingly being regarded as behind Wright/McCartin/Durdin

I agree with the point you are raising, sorry if it didn't come across that way.

[GVGjr]

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The Goddard write up reminds me of Jones. Pace, agility, leap, long kick, just doesn't dominate games.

We need someone who gives repeat leads, gets separation on their opponent, finds space, leads to the right spots, and takes marks on the lead, in 1 on 1 marking contests and in packs

Excellent point. My guess is that Goddard is a lot further advanced than Jones was the year he was drafted. The repeat efforts are something a lot of players can learn. As an example Jarrad Grant was very poor at them in his early years.

I wonder how many of the players likely to be drafted early this year can provide the type of work ethic and approach that you have described.

[bulldogtragic]

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Excellent point. My guess is that Goddard is a lot further advanced than Jones was the year he was drafted. The repeat efforts are something a lot of players can learn. As an example Jarrad Grant was very poor at them in his early years.

I wonder how many of the players likely to be drafted early this year can provide the type of work ethic and approach that you have described.

Yep. If the draft happened today, Goddard is top 10, maybe top 5.

Jones went 31 (?).

That's enough of a gap of projected talent as a direct comparison to take the QE2 through.

[boydogs]

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That's enough of a gap of projected talent as a direct comparison to take the QE2 through.

It might be like comparing JJ to Higgins, big gap in talent but similar player type. We need an upgrade on Cordy/Campbell before we get an upgrade on Jones

[bulldogtragic]

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It might be like comparing JJ to Higgins, big gap in talent but similar player type. We need an upgrade on Cordy/Campbell before we get an upgrade on Jones

Maybe on paper, but seeing Goddard I don't get those feelings. I'm obviously no AFL recruiter, but Goddard is an elite talent and if Jones the 17 yo was in the draft this year, I personally wouldn't mention them together.

[boydogs]

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Maybe on paper, but seeing Goddard I don't get those feelings. I'm obviously no AFL recruiter, but Goddard is an elite talent and if Jones the 17 yo was in the draft this year, I personally wouldn't mention them together.

The Jones name is clouding things. Think Sam Reid, Tyrone Vickery, Justin Westhoff - tall forwards that are good contributors but don't have the hurt factor in being good enough on the lead or in marking contests to be the main man.

I don't know if that's describing Goddard or not, just don't want us to pick an upgraded version of Jones instead of someone like Barry Hall who can lead well and win marking contests

[Remi Moses]

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It looks like Mccartin, Goddard, Durdin, Wright.
What about Lever ? He's out with a knee this season, but has good wraps.

[bulldogtragic]

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The Jones name is clouding things. Think Sam Reid, Tyrone Vickery, Justin Westhoff - tall forwards that are good contributors but don't have the hurt factor in being good enough on the lead or in marking contests to be the main man.

I don't know if that's describing Goddard or not, just don't want us to pick an upgraded version of Jones instead of someone like Barry Hall who can lead well and win marking contests

If you want Barry Hall then we need to keep losing or hope Wright slips. Patton, Boyd and Cameron (if he went into the draft proper) are all number one draft picks. There's no need to reach this year, there's talented guys at the top end I wouldn't judge Goddard as harsh as the source of the review.

[lemmon]

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Goddard is a monster!

I'll upload some photos tonight.

Lamb's report was amazingly stupid. Obviously has anger management decisions. Standing toe to toe so threw a king hit, after a free against had been paid.

Here are some highlights

The Jed Lamb punch is at 1.39

[bulldogtragic]

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Lamb's not doing himself favours. He needs to do more weights if he wants to hit opponents like Barry Hall he needs more upper body strength and technique.

[Remi Moses]

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One bloke who is rocketing up the charts is Connor Blakeley from WA.
Bit of a Blake Acres type