TAC Cup & Australian U/18's Comps 2014

[soupman]

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Zaine pulled out with a groin injury.

And so the draft pick tanking games begin.

[LostDoggy]

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And so the draft pick tanking games begin.

I don't see him going before round 4 anyway. Good player but not the panacea to all our ills and no where near a first round talent. There is some extraordinary talent further west. He's been good this far but unless he does a Bontempelli like rise I think we would likely get him round 4 or above which is a good thing.

[bulldogtragic]

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I don't see him going before round 4 anyway. Good player but not the panacea to all our ills and no where near a first round talent. There is some extraordinary talent further west. He's been good this far but unless he does a Bontempelli like rise I think we would likely get him round 4 or above which is a good thing.

I can't see Zaine lasting until pick 58 or more. Not even close to pick 5, i think it just depends on the rest of the season. I'd love him at 43, I think that's a good win past pick 40.

[Throughandthrough]

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SA beat WA on the weekend

I will be getting along to the SA v Vic Country match this weekend

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-24/young-gun-burton-stars-for-sa-in-under18s

Burton, Smith star in SA's Under-18s win

Ben Guthrie May 24, 2014 5:03 PM

Clem Smith shone for Western Australia in Saturday's Under-18s clash with South Australia
RelatedTalls press first-round claims in Vic Country winLIKELY top-five 2015 draft choice Ryan Burton has starred with five goals in South Australia's 31-point win over Western Australia at AAMI Stadium on Saturday afternoon.

The Croweaters kicked off their Under-18 title defence in style, establishing their dominance from the outset and then holding on to run out 14.8 (92) to 8.13 (61) winners in round one of the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships.

South Australia's slick ball movement and aggressive running were critical elements in the victory, as a number of the state's prospects shone.

None more so than Burton, a bottom-aged AFL Academy prospect, who took 10 marks as a lead up forward to further enhance his reputation as one of next year's outstanding draft prospects.

Standing at 191cm, Burton's straight-kicking from all angles was a highlight for the Croweaters, while Jake Johansen established his side's midfield dominance with 30 well-earned disposals.

West Australian Clem Smith did his best to keep his side within reach, displaying pace and a strong attack on the ball in his 23 touches.

Smith is regarded as one of Western Australia's key draft choices this season.

He received able support from Swan Districts WAFL onball prospect Connor Blakely, who helped himself to 26 disposals, nine clearances and seven inside 50s.

Blakely has averaged 18 disposals in seven senior games at WAFL level this season and he carried that form into Saturday's game.

South Australian Sam Durdin, who at 197cm, is also considered a likely top-five draft selection this year was prominent in the ruck.


SOUTH AUSTRALIA 5.2 9.2 13.4 14.8 (92)
WESTERN AUSTRALIA 1.4 4.5 6.9 8.13 (61)

GOALS
South Australia: Burton 5, Johansen, Gregson, Wigg, Gore, Rose, Wilkie, Read, Miller, Neal-Bullen
Western Australia: Bevan 2, Anderson, Garlett, Hille, Pickett, Walsh, Frampton


BEST
South Australia: Gore, Johansen, Hamilton, Wigg, Burton, Durdin, Gregson
Western Australia: Blakely, Keitel, Bevan, Garlett, Smith

[Throughandthrough]

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-01/sa-wins-at-a-stretch-over-vic-country

SA wins at a Stretch over Vic Country
Ben Collins June 1, 2014 4:58 PM


THE SON of a gun has proved influential in undefeated South Australia's 22-point win over Victoria Country at AAMI Stadium in round two of the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships division one competition on Sunday.

Glenelg's Billy Stretch, the son of former Melbourne and Fitzroy wingman Steven Stretch, gathered an equal-team high 24 disposals and delivered at 75 per cent efficiency, to pilot the Croweaters to an impressive come-from-behind victory.

Stretch started at half-back before moving to a wing and improved as the game wore on with his composure and neat ball use.

In cold, slippery conditions, SA faced a 22-point deficit at quarter-time but thereafter outscored Vic Country 8.17 to just 3.3. They kept the visitors to just 1.2 in the middle two quarters.

SA skipper Jake Johansen, all 171cm and 63kg of him, again set a strong example for his teammates with 24 touches (including a game-high 19 kicks), seven clearances, six tackles and a goal.

Seventeen-year-old West Adelaide utility Aaron Francis overcame a slow start to have a significant impact on proceedings. After being well beaten by highly rated forward Tom Lamb in the first half, Francis responded well to a half-time spray and a shift to attack, finishing with two goals and two contested marks.

Fellow forwards Ryan Burton and Jackson Press spoiled their good work with wasteful tallies of 1.4 and 1.3 respectively.

SA's 197cm ruckman Sam Durdin continued to show promising signs in his comeback from thumb surgery, regaining some touch and kicking a goal.

Vic Country fielded eight 17-year-olds, including inside midfielder Rhys Mathieson – the second-youngest player afield – who amassed a game-high 32 possessions (13 contested) and eight clearances.

Strong-bodied midfielder Billy Evans had 28 touches, including game-high tallies of contested possessions (16) and clearances (11).

Possible top-10 draft pick Lamb showed glimpses of his potential as a tall forward/midfielder with 20 possessions (10 contested) and 1.1.

He was also reported for striking in the third term.

Tall defender Caleb Marchbank also did his draft chances no harm with a sound performance.

The visitors sorely missed two key players – key forward and potential top-five draft pick Patrick McCartin was sidelined with a minor quad injury sustained in a school match, and tough 19-year-old midfielder Nathan Drummond has a hamstring problem.

South Australia 1.4 4.7 6.15 9.21 (75)
Victoria Country 5.2 6.4 6.4 8.5 (53)

GOALS
South Australia: Francis 2, Johansen, Hamilton, Gore, Gregson, Burton, Press, Durdin
Victorian Country: Lamb, Dunkley, Lonie, Webb, Butler, Schache, Goddard, Skinner

BEST
South Australia: Ramsey, Johansen, Stretch, Hamilton, Spurling, Wigg, Hayes
Victoria Country: Evans, Mathieson, Miles, Tucker, Parish, Butler

[GVGjr]

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Marchbank is certainly a player we should look at.

How good would it be to land Durdin?

[bulldogtragic]

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Marchbank is certainly a player we should look at.

How good would it be to land Durdin?

Durdin, Wright, Goddard or McCartin - here's hoping one is on the way to WO!

[Throughandthrough]

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Goddard is a monster!

I'll upload some photos tonight.

Lamb's report was amazingly stupid. Obviously has anger management decisions. Standing toe to toe so threw a king hit, after a free against had been paid.

[bulldogtragic]

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Good Man T&T

Goddard seems to be falling behind the other talls in the hype around top end draft talls.

Lamb has talent to burn, but i'm sure that was noted by recruiters.

[GVGjr]

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Good Man T&T

Goddard seems to be falling behind the other talls in the hype around top end draft talls.

Lamb has talent to burn, but i'm sure that was noted by recruiters.

I think it's because no one seems to know if he is a forward or a defender. He has a quick step but I think the general consensus is that it will take a couple of years to really develop into a player.

[bulldogtragic]

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I think it's because no one seems to know if he is a forward or a defender. He has a quick step but I think the general consensus is that it will take a couple of years to really develop into a player.

So true, in one aspect I can see why that would reduce the hype. But in the modern day swing-man KPP, is it really that much of a problem. Unfortunately I wasn't watching when his Essendon namesake was drafted, but I can imagine it was a knock on him.

My position is people can't bitch and moan about not drafting a KPP and then not give the kid and the club time to bear fruit. I'll be first to point this out if we get one the top boys this year!

[Greystache]

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So true, in one aspect I can see why that would reduce the hype. But in the modern day swing-man KPP, is it really that much of a problem. Unfortunately I wasn't watching when his Essendon namesake was drafted, but I can imagine it was a knock on him.

My position is people can't bitch and moan about not drafting a KPP and then not give the kid and the club time to bear fruit. I'll be first to point this out if we get one the top boys this year!

I haven't seen Goddard play so not speaking about him specifically, but the reluctance on the swing man tall Juniors is they usually can't play either end with any real competence. They're normally just tall and nice athletes, but not footballers. I firmly believe if a young tall doesn't play tall then they're a huge risk.

[bulldogtragic]

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I haven't seen Goddard play so not speaking about him specifically, but the reluctance on the swing man tall Juniors is they usually can't play either end with any real competence. They're normally just tall and nice athletes, but not footballers. I firmly believe if a young tall doesn't play tall then they're a huge risk.

I understand what you mean, I take what you're saying is like drafting Grant as a KPP when his better game is not that in relation to picking a top 5 prospect. If i'm understanding you right, I'd agree with you. But as to Goddard the player, there is too much to like to not factor him into considerations if he's still at our pick. Inelegantly put, some players are like Tom Williams in we don't know if hes a defender or forward. Some are like Chris Grant in ability to be good at either end. Goddard is more Grant than Tommy (names are only example to illustrate a point).

[wimberga]

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I think it's because no one seems to know if he is a forward or a defender. He has a quick step but I think the general consensus is that it will take a couple of years to really develop into a player.

The other commentary I have seen regarding Goddard from U18 followers is that despite his physical prowess, he very rarely threatens to take over a game. you'll note that a lot of this commentary is qualitative so its hard to measure its accuracy, but its interesting nonetheless. See below:

Hugh Goddard (VIC - KPP)
Height: 196cm, Weight: 93kg, DOB: 24/08/1996
Recruited from: Geelong Falcons
Style:
Player comparison: Sam Day
Range: 1-10
Profile: Goddard is one of the star key position players this year and has the ability to play both forward and back well. He’s got exceptional pace, agility and an excellent leap. Has a long kick for his age. And has some ability at ground level, so there is plenty to work with. There is just that little bit of something dominant missing to his game though. As a forward Goddard in the TAC can kick three goals a game every week but it’s almost always a quiet three goals. He just doesn’t feel like he’s going to take over games and you don’t really notice his impact as more a component to winning rather than a centrepiece and a reason for winning. He just lacks the presence to his game that the other premier key forwards of the competition have and doesn’t have that same feel that he’ll go off as a goalkicking threat like those other real high end key forwards have which is why I rate him lower than the other top key position players. I wouldn’t draft Goddard expecting him to become the no.1 option up forward but as a no.2 option he’d be an excellent get.

[Greystache]

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I understand what you mean, I take what you're saying is like drafting Grant as a KPP when his better game is not that in relation to picking a top 5 prospect. If i'm understanding you right, I'd agree with you. But as to Goddard the player, there is too much to like to not factor him into considerations if he's still at our pick. Inelegantly put, some players are like Tom Williams in we don't know if hes a defender or forward. Some are like Chris Grant in ability to be good at either end. Goddard is more Grant than Tommy (names are only example to illustrate a point).

To a degree, but I'm also talking about a key position player where everyone raves about their ability below their knees and their ability to play a number of roles, but not their ability to mark or use their height and strength to win the footy. Athleticism and agility is a great asset to a key position player who is a dominant threat in a marking contest. If that's all they've got then they've got cream but no cake.

Just thinking about it, I'm pretty much describing Ayce Cordy and why a player like him is an unreasonable risk as an early pick, or Andrejs Everitt too actually. Goddard sounds a bit the same.

Jarrad Grant was a marking player in junior footy, and is to a small degree at AFL level, he was just never going to be big enough to play the role we were drafting him for. That's the recruiter's fault. The skinny 190-193cm forward/defender is your classic 3rd/4th tall type that needs genuine key position players around them.