Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

[EasternWest]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

Giving away cheap runs here. Could bite us in the bum if we have a poor second innings.

Well well well if it isn't the consequences of my actions.

[Grantysghost]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

Woakes and Wood ended up being great ins . Think they could change Bairstow for Foakes.
Not sure if Anderson comes in.
What changes will happen with Australia .. Cummings was pretty sure Warner won’t go so do they make any others ?

Wood is pretty awesome.

Another great Geordie ( I separate the ne from the rest of England)

Leeds crowd is like a darts night.

[lemmon]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

Woakes and Wood ended up being great ins . Think they could change Bairstow for Foakes.
Not sure if Anderson comes in.
What changes will happen with Australia .. Cummings was pretty sure Warner won?t go so do they make any others ?

Have to play the big three quicks in the next test. I think I've read there's a 9 day break until then so everyone should be fit. Ashes on the line, go to your tested and proven trio - Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood, supported by Murphy.

I thought we were pretty good today, but our second innings with the bat left us short. I think Marsh has taken Green's spot for the rest of the series, and I'd probably look at Harris for Warner (but I don't think the selectors will).

[Sedat]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

Have to play the big three quicks in the next test. I think I've read there's a 9 day break until then so everyone should be fit. Ashes on the line, go to your tested and proven trio - Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood, supported by Murphy.

A lot of people had high expectations on Boland at the start of the series thinking he would flourish in English conditions, but you rightly had doubts from the start that have proven to be spot on - he has been very disappointing and was a complete non-factor in this test. I can't help but feel we missed a trick not selecting Neser in this test, whose swing bowling is tailor-made for Headingly and whose batting is borderline all-rounder.

We lost this at selection and also not putting the throat on them when they were 7/140 odd in the first innings. And again letting them back in late on day 2 losing Smith and Marnus to poor shots against a pedestrian spinner. Never give a sucker an even break and we gave them one in this test.

[lemmon]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

A lot of people had high expectations on Boland at the start of the series thinking he would flourish in English conditions, but you rightly had doubts from the start that have proven to be spot on - he has been very disappointing and was a complete non-factor in this test. I can't help but feel we missed a trick not selecting Neser in this test, whose swing bowling is tailor-made for Headingly and whose batting is borderline all-rounder.

We lost this at selection and also not putting the throat on them when they were 7/140 odd in the first innings. And again letting them back in late on day 3 losing Smith and Marnus to poor shots against a pedestrian spinner. Never give a sucker an even break and we gave them one in this test.

I don't think we pick him again in the series, and it's interesting that Neser has been released for a County game before rejoining the squad for the fourth Test to get him cherry ripe.

I think you need to move the ball through the air in the UK and challenge the outside edge, Boland is a very good cricketer, but he doesn't do that. I've seen Boland toil through a lot of overs at the MCG where he bowls full, attacks pads, finds some inconsistent bounce and is supported by straight fields with catchers in front of the bat - he should've played (and bowled) more than he did in India, but Neser should've been the man in the UK. Woakes was an excellent counter-point to Boland in this Test - perfect medium pacer for these conditions.

Worth noting that Renshaw has been released from the squad with Harris staying on as the spare batsman. I think if they do go like-for-like at the top of the order, it'll be Harris getting the nod.

[Topdog]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

Australia are too timid in their fielding setup on England's 2nd innings. Our setup puts no pressure on the batter.

[macca]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

When Woakes first came in, they did not bowl a good line or length to him. the field placings should have been putting pressure on getting him out and restricting the runs.

Starc 2 overs to him were all over the place. First ball wide, cracked for 4.

This was crucial period.

Well done to England for getting the runs.

[MrMahatma]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

I'd be removing Boland and Warner. The question is do we bring in Neser, Hazlewood or Green for Boland?

[Sedat]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

England have 2 streaky openers, an unproven no 3 and no 5 at the level, a bonafide star at no 4, a generational star at no 6 who can only bat due to injury, a spud keeper at no 7 who has dropped as many very costly chances as he has taken, a very ordinary spinner, and a good pace line-up albeit one that lacks the pace and bite of Cummins and Starc (except Wood). They have also been profligate and reckless with their batting at key moments, and they have repeatedly bowled too short in other key moments early in Australia's 1st innings. And their fielding is sub-par in every aspect compared to the Australian team.

On all metrics, Australia is comfortably a more talented and much better balanced team. And yet somehow all 3 games have been so tight that it could have easily been England 3-0 up or Australia 3-0 up so far (and everything else in between).

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

On all metrics, Australia is comfortably a more talented and much better balanced team. And yet somehow all 3 games have been so tight that it could have easily been England 3-0 up or Australia 3-0 up so far (and everything else in between).

Question is have the Austalian's flattered? I thought England edged us at Edgebaston, but made poor decisions at key times and we won. I though we bossed Lords, but gave them a sniff which they nearly took. At Headingly we were always playing catch up. Not enough runs in the first innings, let England off the hook in their 1st and then nowhere near enough runs in the 2nd.

Do we throw the baby out with the bathwater? If the Old Trafford Deck is a flat wicket, I would play Warner. He has looked ok on flat decks. Lets face it no one batted well at Headlingly except for Marsh, Head, Stokes and Brooke. As for the other changes Marsh could easily have been out for bugger all. His bowling was ok (better than Boland). I though would still pick Green over Marsh.

[ledge]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

England lost the first test on one decision which was declaring on the first day
. The media write up on bazball was a complete joke , it’s what has made all three tests .
These two teams are extremely close .
Difference I see is England goes for it which is hit or miss and Australia relies on being more conservative and sticking to the ways they have played for years .
Neither way Is wrong, it’s a matter of which comes out on top and that can be decided on one decision , a toss , a fielder being in the right position . A silly shot etc .
This is a great series of two teams following the beliefs of what is the best way to win.

[lemmon]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

Neser's bashing down the door. He's just made 176* having come in at 7/93 for Glamorgan.

[GVGjr]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

Neser's bashing down the door. He's just made 176* having come in at 7/93 for Glamorgan.

Who would he come in for? I think he should have played in the last test.

[lemmon]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

Who would he come in for? I think he should have played in the last test.

I'd still go with Hazlewood straight swap in for Boland, but Neser would be in that conversation too. Could also look at Neser or Green for Murphy if they decide he's not ready yet and would prefer the extra batting.

[GVGjr]

Re: Ashes 3rd Test - Thursday July 6-Monday July 10, Headingley

I'd still go with Hazlewood straight swap in for Boland, but Neser would be in that conversation too. Could also look at Neser or Green for Murphy if they decide he's not ready yet and would prefer the extra batting.

I heard MacDonald speculate that we might play both Marsh and Green but he did seem set that we needed a spin bowler.
I assume we might be tempted to move Travis Head to replace Warner.