For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

[LostDoggy]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

Cameron White shouldn't even be in the t20 team, let alone capt.

Not talking about present day circumstances -- I agree that he is pretty ordinary these days (but what would he be 'striving' for? He's also seen how Hodgey was treated by the selectors and rightfully realised that he was never going to get a chance). If you read my original post I was talking about 'back in the day' when he was actually still developing and in some form. If he had been given time to develop the same way some other less deserving players have been (how long was Smith in the team for? Hughes?? How long was Watson given a go until he came good? How many years was North persisted with? Now Haddin?) If Whitey had been persisted with for as long as some of these guys have (ie. 12-18 months plus) I have little doubt he would be a reasonable middle-order Test player by now, but was thrown on the "not Test quality" scrapheap with very little justification years ago.

[KT31]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

Maybe Haddin could use his mouth to catch the ball, certainly big enough.

[Topdog]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

For Christ Sake Iron Gloves Haddin shut up !
Agree Wade's better than Haddin, but Paine's the best bet.
Selectors should be picking the best keeper ATM, which is Paine.

How is Paine the best keeper At The Moment???? Hasn't played a match since July. Hasn't even trained since July, a possibility that his career is finished, yet he is the best ATM?

*!*!*!*! me might as well say Bradman is our best batsmen ATM.

[ledge]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

Can anyone give a serious reason why Wade is not getting a go?

[LostDoggy]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

Can anyone give a serious reason why Wade is not getting a go?

Yep, the selectors dont want him.

[Topdog]

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Can anyone give a serious reason that the selectors are sticking with Haddin?

[Sedat]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

Maybe Haddin could use his mouth to catch the ball, certainly big enough.

Haddin's comments about India's fragility are akin to Leon Davis giving a gobful to the Bulldogs for choking in September - ie: glass houses and all that.

[LostDoggy]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

I honestly believe Haddin is only in the side because the wicket position is ear marked for Paine and he isn't fit yet. So they don't upset the apple cart by putting a sort term keeper in there, Haddin stays. I guess the selectors are hoping he can limp through the next couple of months under the radar? Doesn't seem to be working.

He's shit end of. Think what Hairy midget is saying is correct.

Can anyone give a serious reason that the selectors are sticking with Haddin?

I thought you liked my guess at it?

Don't start second guessing me now TD, just because I know nothing about cricket doesn't mean I know less than an Australian test selector.

[Topdog]

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haha nah i think you are correct just attempting to get a reason out of Petergm who gave a pretty weak response to a genuine question and has so far only contributed that Wade is somehow the product of Victorian media bias.

[MrMahatma]

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Not talking about present day circumstances -- I agree that he is pretty ordinary these days (but what would he be 'striving' for? He's also seen how Hodgey was treated by the selectors and rightfully realised that he was never going to get a chance). If you read my original post I was talking about 'back in the day' when he was actually still developing and in some form. If he had been given time to develop the same way some other less deserving players have been (how long was Smith in the team for? Hughes?? How long was Watson given a go until he came good? How many years was North persisted with? Now Haddin?) If Whitey had been persisted with for as long as some of these guys have (ie. 12-18 months plus) I have little doubt he would be a reasonable middle-order Test player by now, but was thrown on the "not Test quality" scrapheap with very little justification years ago.

But aren't you (and everyone else) annoyed that we are percisting with blokes that aren't up to it? You seem to be saying that because we are/have been letting some blokes who aren't up to scratch play (Marsh, North etc) we should've let another guy who wasnt quite up to scratch play (White).

I don't get it.

[LostDoggy]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

But aren't you (and everyone else) annoyed that we are percisting with blokes that aren't up to it? You seem to be saying that because we are/have been letting some blokes who aren't up to scratch play (Marsh, North etc) we should've let another guy who wasnt quite up to scratch play (White).

I don't get it.

How do you know he wasn't up to scratch? We never got enough time to make that judgment. White was a far better prospect than Marsh or North at a younger age, yet never got anywhere near the same opportunities. He was given 4 tests, made some runs and took some wickets, then was dropped, never to be seen again despite making a ton of runs at domestic level and captaining the most successful Shield side of the early 21st century, simply because he was mysteriously designated 'not a Test player'.

Meanwhile:

Smith had no first-class record to speak of, yet was given 2 years despite never making runs and basically embarassing himself at Test level. How did he deserve more of a chance to develop than White?

Symonds kept getting picked despite no domestic form and continuous failures (not to mention serious character issues). Why was he picked over White?

North was given 3 years, the last 18 months of which he scored something like 10 runs. In those years, we could have tried blooding someone else, and White was right near the front of the queue.

The selectors keep trying to give Hughes an opportunity despite him having the worst technique of any test opener in Australian history and being the bunny of the no.8 test team in the world. Why does he deserve more opportunities than other players?

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My point is simply that White never got anywhere near the same opportunities as some, simply because the selectors kept picking non-prospects in the middle order rather than giving him a proper opportunity (I'm talking about around 5 years ago when there was a real need to develop prospects in the middle order.) I'm not saying we should have given him 3 years of non-performance like North; I'm saying he deserved a lot more than 4 Tests to make his case. I don't see what's so hard to understand.

ps. The same thing is happening to Khawaja. He'll be frozen out while the selectors persist with rubbish, then when he finally loses hope and form, the selectors will say that he was 'never' Test material to start with. It's bullcrap favouritism.

[Bulldog Joe]

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Lantern the comparison of White with North does not help your argument for White.

North scored a century on debut, again in his third test, 96 in his 4th and a century in his 5th. He earnt an extended run.

White was perhaps thrown to the wolves, having been picked primarily to bowl against India in India, but did nothing to warrant his retention.

[Topdog]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

Disregarding White altogether but having a good first 5 tests does not earn you an extra 3 years, esp. when you are absolutely terrible for 18 straight months.

[Remi Moses]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

How is Paine the best keeper At The Moment???? Hasn't played a match since July. Hasn't even trained since July, a possibility that his career is finished, yet he is the best ATM?

*!*!*!*! me might as well say Bradman is our best batsmen ATM.

Obviously talking about a fit Tim Paine . Agree with others I'd have Wade instead of Haddin, but the selectors obviously have different thoughts.

[Remi Moses]

Re: For God's sake, drop Brad Haddin

But aren't you (and everyone else) annoyed that we are percisting with blokes that aren't up to it? You seem to be saying that because we are/have been letting some blokes who aren't up to scratch play (Marsh, North etc) we should've let another guy who wasnt quite up to scratch play (White).

I don't get it.

Agree.