Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

[Twodogs]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

A bit of spit-balling to see if we can work a bit of magic

Bulldogs offer Pick 11 to Port for Lobbe and Ports 2nd round pick #29. That gives us 653 extra points to add to our pick #30 (629)

Port gains the extra pick they might need to satisfy the Suns for Dixon and eases their logjam at the ruck position.
Bulldogs gain a quality ruckman which potentially releases Roughead to continue in the back line

Bulldogs offer picks #29, #30, #48 and Michael Talia to the Swans for their pick #14

Swans now have 3 x 2nd round picks #29, #30, #33 and #48 which has a value of 2,147 points and they have picked up a key defender for nothing. Their original points in rounds 1 and 2 was 1,724 and while the additional 423 points isn't much it values Callum Mills at about pick 3 before the academy discount is applied.

Bulldogs have traded back into the first round and will make their last two picks at the back of the draft.

The chances? minimal I would say but I'd bet clubs look at this type of complicated deal.

Well it is the silly season

I worry about giving up our picks early in two consecutive drafts. Dalrymple seems to be in Ted hot form but we keep taking his best tools away.

[Twodogs]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

The fact that we chased an already in contract Martin would indicate that it was a reasonably high priority for us.

I can see that it is, but I'm wondering why. Are Minson and Martin that different? Martin did towel us up in the last game I guess. If
Minson was at another club would we be asking about his availability?

[Happy Days]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

I can see that it is, but I'm wondering why. Are Minson and Martin that different? Martin did towel us up in the last game I guess. If
Minson was at another club would we be asking about his availability?

Martin has it all over Minson. Far better overhead, the best accumulator of possession ruckman in the competiton, and every bit as strong. He would be absolutely perfect for us.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

I can see that it is, but I'm wondering why. Are Minson and Martin that different? Martin did towel us up in the last game I guess. If
Minson was at another club would we be asking about his availability?

The difference between Minson and Martin is an important criteria called mobility.

Martin actually is more a midfielder who happens to also take the hitouts. He also takes marks consistently and doubles Will in most stats except for Tackles and Hitouts.

Martin seems much more the type of ruckman that our coach is looking for.

[GVGjr]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

I can see that it is, but I'm wondering why. Are Minson and Martin that different? Martin did towel us up in the last game I guess. If
Minson was at another club would we be asking about his availability?

I guess the question that should be asked in the hypothetical and very unlikely scenario I posed is more around if Lobbe is much different to Minson?

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

A bit of spit-balling to see if we can work a bit of magic

Bulldogs offer Pick 11 to Port for Lobbe and Ports 2nd round pick #29. That gives us 653 extra points to add to our pick #30 (629)

Port gains the extra pick they might need to satisfy the Suns for Dixon and eases their logjam at the ruck position.
Bulldogs gain a quality ruckman which potentially releases Roughead to continue in the back line

Bulldogs offer picks #29, #30, #48 and Michael Talia to the Swans for their pick #14

Swans now have 3 x 2nd round picks #29, #30, #33 and #48 which has a value of 2,147 points and they have picked up a key defender for nothing. Their original points in rounds 1 and 2 was 1,724 and while the additional 423 points isn't much it values Callum Mills at about pick 3 before the academy discount is applied.

Bulldogs have traded back into the first round and will make their last two picks at the back of the draft.

The chances? minimal I would say but I'd bet clubs look at this type of complicated deal.

Well it is the silly season

Email Jason McCartney

[GVGjr]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

Email Jason McCartney

I've done the numbers again, we might not need to add the 3rd round pick.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

I'd throw the first round pick on its own at a ruckman, yes. Is Lobbe that ruckman? I'm not sure.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

A bit of spit-balling to see if we can work a bit of magic

Bulldogs offer Pick 11 to Port for Lobbe and Ports 2nd round pick #29. That gives us 653 extra points to add to our pick #30 (629)

Port gains the extra pick they might need to satisfy the Suns for Dixon and eases their logjam at the ruck position.
Bulldogs gain a quality ruckman which potentially releases Roughead to continue in the back line

Bulldogs offer picks #29, #30, #48 and Michael Talia to the Swans for their pick #14

Swans now have 3 x 2nd round picks #29, #30, #33 and #48 which has a value of 2,147 points and they have picked up a key defender for nothing. Their original points in rounds 1 and 2 was 1,724 and while the additional 423 points isn't much it values Callum Mills at about pick 3 before the academy discount is applied.

Bulldogs have traded back into the first round and will make their last two picks at the back of the draft.

The chances? minimal I would say but I'd bet clubs look at this type of complicated deal.

Well it is the silly season

This is the sort of innovative thinking that needs to be applied.

For Academy/Father Son selections the actual position of the draft will become irrelevant as it is points they need.

Sydney, GWS, Brisbane and Gold Coast are all possibilities for this type of trading where they have a player they know will go highly.

Under the bidding system they really need to have picks that can be used to make up the points.

It will be possible that clubs trade out players for picks that can then be swapped just to provide additional points around one of those Academy/Father Son selections.

It may not happen this year, but when the clubs understand the values it will become commonplace.

[GVGjr]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

I worry about giving up our picks early in two consecutive drafts. Dalrymple seems to be in Ted hot form but we keep taking his best tools away.

I get that, I doubt it's much more than speculation but if we were to redraft Grant it's not many picks to cover.

[GVGjr]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

This is the sort of innovative thinking that needs to be applied.

For Academy/Father Son selections the actual position of the draft will become irrelevant as it is points they need.

Sydney, GWS, Brisbane and Gold Coast are all possibilities for this type of trading where they have a player they know will go highly.

Under the bidding system they really need to have picks that can be used to make up the points.

It will be possible that clubs trade out players for picks that can then be swapped just to provide additional points around one of those Academy/Father Son selections.

It may not happen this year, but when the clubs understand the values it will become commonplace.

While it's a very unlikely scenario the premise of points being more valuable to some teams (with academy picks to cover) than it is for others.
If we were to have two x 2nd round picks then the sum of their value is greater than the Swans pick 14 (not by much) which could be important for them.
Throw Talia into the mix and maybe swap 3rd round picks it might be enough to peak their interest.

If MacPherson is someone we are interested in then we probably can get him late in the draft so maybe mid range draft picks aren't as valuable to us this year.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

I really hope we are exploring opportunities to move higher up the 1st round draft order. I think securing another top line talent in this draft should be a priority so as to ensure we have a good number of A grade talent coming into their prime around the same time as each other.

[1eyedog]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

We need a ruckman and Port have too many. What would you give up for Lobbe?

I don't think Lobbe is going anywhere. He signed what a big 4 year deal late last year, is a vice captain at the club and Port said under no circumstances would they trade him and he wants to stay. Everything they have done suggests they want to keep him. We need to look elsewhere or bide our time.

[Bornadog]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

I really hope we are exploring opportunities to move higher up the 1st round draft order. I think securing another top line talent in this draft should be a priority so as to ensure we have a good number of A grade talent coming into their prime around the same time as each other.

If you listen to Jmac he did say we are looking at opportunities to improve our position so the answer is yes.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

One thing I will say is that if we miss out on a ruck, I won't lose sleep. We were only soundly beaten in two games in the ruck - v West Coast and v Brisbane.

A quality ruck is a luxury, not a necessity, as demonstrated by many premiership sides (Geelong with Blake, Sydney with Pyke, Hawthorn with Hale/McEvoy).

Minson, Campbell and Roughead (Boyd/Redpath as support roles) is still decent. The latter two should be coming into their prime whilst Minson is adequate cover if nothing else for now.

I'm absolutely petrified of going into 2016 with our current key defensive stocks.