Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

[GVGjr]

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Alex Pearce would be the one I'd want.

I couldn't see them parting with him but what an addition he would be. 200cm and very athletic and players forward and back.

[chef]

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I couldn't see them parting with him but what an addition he would be. 200cm and very athletic and players forward and back.

Yeah, with McPharlin and Pav coming to the end he'd be a hard one to get. I guess it may depend on how desperate they are for a first round pick for McCartney.

He'd be the perfect get for us.

[GVGjr]

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I wonder if we could merge a few of your ideas for us:

Apeness and 22 for 11.
Target St Kilda pick 24. Talia, Hrovat etc. By taking the deal with GWS away from Essendon, St Kilda can ark up about getting 25 returned in Carlisle trade.
22 & 24 to GWS for pick 8.


Dogs: Apeness and pick 8 for pick 11 and Talia/Hrovat (still have pick 32)
Freo: Pick 11 to get McCarthy
Saints: Hrovat/Talia, block Essendon from the GWS trade of 23 & 25. If they got 25, it'd be effectively JC & these for guys for pick 5. Talia could be involved between Saints & Essendon also.
GWS: Get 22 & 24, better points than 23 & 25 from Essendon. Get pick 11 from us thru Freo and next year 1st rounder for McCarthy.

It's going to take me a while to digest all this

[Twodogs]

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He won't want to leave. With Caleb Daniels a lock, he's finally not the shortest bloke on the team.
Reminds me of Daniel Cross a bit. Looks tough and a possible long term servant of the club.

Champion data had him at pick 15. He slipped to 60. Why the big drop?

His height and was there a slight knock on his pace? I may have imagined the pace bit because he seems plenty quick to me.

[bulldogtragic]

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It's going to take me a while to digest all this

For Dogs: It's essentially Hrovat for Apeness. Both similar draft picks, both average years. Talia essentially gets us from pick 11 to pick 8. We keep pick 32. Perhaps some swapping of later picks.

For Freo: They have ruck stocks. They get pick 11 to add to next years first rounder. That probably gets them McCarthy, to add to Bennell.

For Saints: They get JC & 25 and Hrovat for pick 5 & 24. If by adding in Talia they get pick 25 back and GWS use an academy player at 24, the pick 25 makes the trade effectively JC, Hrovat and access to Talia being involved for pick 5 and keeping a high second rounder.

For GWS: They get picks 22 & 24 which trumps Essendons trade of 23 & 25 for pick 8, which gives them more points. They also get pick 11 from Freo which we traded and a first rounder next year.

For Essendon: They get pick 5 and Talia for Carlisle and pick 25. On top of pick 4 and 23 = 4, 5, 23, 41, Luey, Talia.

[GVGjr]

Re: Silly Season (post home and away season trade period) suggestions.

I wonder if we could merge a few of your ideas for us:

Apeness and 22 for 11.
Target St Kilda pick 24. Talia, Hrovat etc. By taking the deal with GWS away from Essendon, St Kilda can ark up about getting 25 returned in Carlisle trade.
22 & 24 to GWS for pick 8.


Dogs: Apeness and pick 8 for pick 11 and Talia/Hrovat (still have pick 32)
Freo: Pick 11 to get McCarthy
Saints: Hrovat/Talia, block Essendon from the GWS trade of 23 & 25. If they got 25, it'd be effectively JC & these for guys for pick 5. Talia could be involved between Saints & Essendon also.
GWS: Get 22 & 24, better points than 23 & 25 from Essendon. Get pick 11 from us thru Freo and next year 1st rounder for McCarthy.

BT, what value are you putting on Talia and Hrovat? Assuming the Saints land Carlisle I don't think they also need Talia.
Hrovat is very unlikely to be traded unless a club was willing to pay at least fair market value and in this scenario I think he is undervalued.

I like the idea of getting a player for a player given our circumstances and maybe Fremantle could deal and a 3rd party could get involved.

[bulldogtragic]

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BT, what value are you putting on Talia and Hrovat? Assuming the Saints land Carlisle I don't think they also need Talia.
Hrovat is very unlikely to be traded unless a club was willing to pay at least fair market value and in this scenario I think he is undervalued.

I like the idea of getting a player for a player given our circumstances and maybe Fremantle could deal and a 3rd party could get involved.

I've clarified above, but before I got in first. To us we get a three pick upgrade. Talia goes to Essendon in a trade for Carlisle. St Kilda clearly angling for pick 25 back. If Talia ends up at Essendon maybe 25 goes back. But we'd need to get GWS dealing with us for the pick trades so Essendon can send that back. As for Hrovat it's pick 24 which is about right if Melksham is worth pick 25 plus Talia included in the purchase price to facilitate the above trade.

[bulldogtragic]

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Is there a gun still there are at pick 8 in your mind G?

[GVGjr]

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Is there a gun still there are at pick 8 in your mind G?

That's probably the reason why I wouldn't be unhappy to downgrade pick 11 to either land us a needs based player or an improved position overall. There are plenty of good players but finding that player with upside is more of a gamble.
To me, getting us to pick 8 isn't necessarily a huge improvement unless there is a clear cut player that we want.

I think the reason why the Saints are trying to get Carlisle on the cheap and why the Bombers are insistent on pick 5 is that it thins out a bit after that.

As I said, it's a draft with plenty of good players but how many potential star players are there?

For a club like us that is building a list and given that we will probably only draft 3 players I don't think we can address our gaps with pick 11. I think we are chronically light on for key defenders and it's the reason why I wouldn't mind landing that needs based player via a trade but still maintaining something decent a bit later in the draft. You pay a premium for quality this year.

We can still land a very good player at 11 but I think we are being patient to see what we might get asked to help facilitate.

[bulldogtragic]

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That's probably the reason why I wouldn't be unhappy to downgrade pick 11 to either land us a needs based player or an improved position overall. There are plenty of good players but finding that player with upside is more of a gamble.
To me, getting us to pick 8 isn't necessarily a huge improvement unless there is a clear cut player that we want.

I think the reason why the Saints are trying to get Carlisle on the cheap and why the Bombers are insistent on pick 5 is that it thins out a bit after that.

As I said, it's a draft with plenty of good players but how many potential star players are there?

For a club like us that is building a list and given that we will probably only draft 3 players I don't think we can address our gaps with pick 11. I think we are chronically light on for key defenders and it's the reason why I wouldn't mind landing that needs based player via a trade but still maintaining something decent a bit later in the draft. You pay a premium for quality this year.

We can still land a very good player at 11 but I think we are being patient to see what we might get asked to help facilitate.

What if Hawthorn would do 8 for 15 & 18?

[azabob]

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Freo still looking at getting involved in a trade for McCartney from GWS.
They have pick 22 (Bennell deal) this year and obviously a future 1st round pick from next year they could trade but now appear to be open to trade a player.

If we were to get involved and potentially part with pick 11 in some deal for their pick 22 and a player the following might have some have appeal for us:
Michael Apeness - Ruckman who can also play forward might appeal. The knock on him is that he missed the year with a knee injury
Hayden Crozier - He's been with Freo for 4 seasons and has only played 35 games. Great skills but is more of a forward than genuine mid.
Matt Taberner - 198cm forward who can go into the ruck. Finished the season off below expectations.

Is there any interest in these guys or someone else from Freo?

The problem with Fremantle is that they have obviously been building for preimership so their list is very lopsided and not much younger talent on it - and what young talent is on there you'd suggest they'd be unwilling to give up. Unless they believe they can reload and go again in 2016/17.

I like all the suggestions you have put up and all could play a role for us. Interestingly all our from Victoria also, so the come home factor could be appealing.

Crozier would be a very good get but he is the type of player we have a lot of, so I don't think we should focus on him.

Taberner to me is the right size, but is he aggressive enough at the contest? From the limited I have seen of him, I don't think he is.

Apeness is the interesting one, I haven't seen him play at all, but I assume he and Tom Boyd would've played together at Eastern Rangers? It would be interesting to see how they combined together during the season.

Is Apeness able to physically impact the contest wether it be a ruck contest or a contested mark contest?

But as Chef said, Pearce would be the perfect fit for us, but its very unlikely they would let him go.

[F'scary]

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He won't want to leave. With Caleb Daniels a lock, he's finally not the shortest bloke on the team.
Reminds me of Daniel Cross a bit. Looks tough and a possible long term servant of the club.

Champion data had him at pick 15. He slipped to 60. Why the big drop?

I am presuming it was because of his height and weight, at the time there was still the mania for "big bodied mids". And I wouldn't be giving him up cheaply, he got nearly a goal a game in 2015 (0.8 goals/game) and I'm sure he started as sub or was subbed at least once. One of his virtues is that he is a good mark for his size and has the aptitude for contested marking (as opposed to, say, Macrae who always positions himself for the spill from the contest). Honeychurch is tradeable only because of the competition in our club for the roles he plays.

[GVGjr]

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Apeness is the interesting one, I haven't seen him play at all, but I assume he and Tom Boyd would've played together at Eastern Rangers? It would be interesting to see how they combined together during the season.

Is Apeness able to physically impact the contest wether it be a ruck contest or a contested mark contest?

But as Chef said, Pearce would be the perfect fit for us, but its very unlikely they would let him go.

Yep, they played together at Eastern and combined with each other well.
Apeness isn't a pure ruckman in my opinion but he would be a better option up forward than say Roughead.

The more I look at a potential deal with Freo, the more I like Chef's suggestion of Alex Pearce. Imagine another 15 games of development into him and he could be a very good defender. Freo losing McPharlin is probably the reason why they wouldn't trade him unless they got a massive offer.

[GVGjr]

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He won't want to leave. With Caleb Daniels a lock, he's finally not the shortest bloke on the team.
Reminds me of Daniel Cross a bit. Looks tough and a possible long term servant of the club.

Champion data had him at pick 15. He slipped to 60. Why the big drop?

Just his size.

[Ghost Dog]

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Historically we have not really been a big part of three way trades have we?
I'd be disappointed to lose any youngsters before we see what they are really made of.