2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

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  • Twodogs
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 27638

    Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

    Originally posted by GVGjr
    I know West Coast are casting a wide net because they rate the ruck position and I do think there is some creative license by the media by speculating that a local boy in Tim English would be on their radar but why wouldnt we consider a trade for any player like English?

    Yep hes got plenty of ability and tgere is no doubt he has come on exceptionallyif well in just two short years but we have a coach that many believe dosent really rate the one position English is best suited to.

    I dont want us to trade English but I'd be Ok with the club listening to offers from West Coast.
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    I think it's more that Bevo doesn't respect the ruckmen we happen to have and we haven't had the opportunity to bring in the type of ready made ruckman that Bevo does rate (tap out to advantage is more important than first hand to the ball, must be able to play multiple positions and must be able to transition from a ruck contest to being an extra mid at the fall of he ball in an instant) English shows that he possesses those traits and I think Bevo will be very happy with him.
    They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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    • GVGjr
      Moderator
      • Nov 2006
      • 43980

      Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

      Originally posted by Sedat
      Isn't this more of a circumstance that we haven't had a natural ruckman until English was drafted? And if Bevo didn't rate ruckmen, would he have given license to the recruiting team to use our first pick on one in 2016?

      The only circumstance I would consider even listening to West Coke in the future is if English has chronic homesickness and demands a move back to his home state.
      I've read on here numerous times that Bevo was supposedly reinventing the position and that he never really rated it, this flew in the face of our apparent interest in the likes of Lobbe, Martin and Kruezer plus a few others over the years and its the reason why many are content with Boyd as a number one ruckman. Given we've used Bontempelli, Dunkley and Jong as part time options plus even last week we used Gowers there while having both Roughead and Trengove up foward can any of us say for certain that English is the ruckman that Bevo will back?

      Id be backing English but why wouldn't we listen to offers given the uncertain approach we have with ruckman? Perhaps English will be the ruck messiah Bevo has been looking for but its not clear to me direction we are heading in.
      Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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      • macca
        Coaching Staff
        • Sep 2007
        • 2350

        Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

        Originally posted by Twodogs
        I think it's more that Bevo doesn't respect the ruckmen we happen to have and we haven't had the opportunity to bring in the type of ready made ruckman that Bevo does rate (tap out to advantage is more important than first hand to the ball, must be able to play multiple positions and must be able to transition from a ruck contest to being an extra mid at the fall of he ball in an instant) English shows that he possesses those traits and I think Bevo will be very happy with him.
        Question, how would the Great Beard Hudson rate under Bevo? As Hudson was renowned for his stoppage work.

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        • GVGjr
          Moderator
          • Nov 2006
          • 43980

          Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

          Originally posted by macca
          Question, how would the Great Beard Hudson rate under Bevo? As Hudson was renowned for his stoppage work.
          I think the only concern Bevo would have with him is his almost non ability to hit the scoreboard and take his turn up forward
          Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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          • Ozza
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Mar 2008
            • 6381

            Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

            Isn't the talk of English being linked to WCE due to him being from WA a bit overblown. He's hardly a 'local' to Perth if his parents live 200 kilometres away.

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            • choconmientay
              WOOF Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 1312

              Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

              Originally posted by GVGjr
              I've read on here numerous times that Bevo was supposedly reinventing the position and that he never really rated it, this flew in the face of our apparent interest in the likes of Lobbe, Martin and Kruezer plus a few others over the years and its the reason why many are content with Boyd as a number one ruckman. Given we've used Bontempelli, Dunkley and Jong as part time options plus even last week we used Gowers there while having both Roughead and Trengove up foward can any of us say for certain that English is the ruckman that Bevo will back?

              Id be backing English but why wouldn't we listen to offers given the uncertain approach we have with ruckman? Perhaps English will be the ruck messiah Bevo has been looking for but its not clear to me direction we are heading in.
              I believe Bevo reinvented the ruck role and utilized 3rd man up really effectively (Bont/Jong/Dunkley/...) That contributed to us winning a Premiership until the AFL decided to change the rule and we were caught out in the way we recruited for this department.

              Maybe now Bevo needs to re-think, re-visit the Ruck position and the best bet imo is to back in Tim English. He showed enough talent and agility to be the best Ruck man in few years time.

              Some time I wish Bevo would be less stubborn and read WOOF a bit more to consider a few more perspectives for the ruck-role.
              It always seems impossible until it's done. Nelson Mandela

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 65683

                Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

                Originally posted by choconmientay
                Some time I wish Bevo would be less stubborn and read WOOF a bit more to consider a few more perspectives for the ruck-role.
                I hope he doesn't read Woof, we would never win a game.
                FFC: Established 1883

                Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                • choconmientay
                  WOOF Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 1312

                  Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  I hope he doesn't read Woof, we would never win a game.
                  Hehehehe, Forgot to mention he should read WOOF but stay away from the match day thread ��
                  It always seems impossible until it's done. Nelson Mandela

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                  • Daughter of the West
                    WOOF Member
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 918

                    Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

                    Originally posted by Ozza
                    Isn't the talk of English being linked to WCE due to him being from WA a bit overblown. He's hardly a 'local' to Perth if his parents live 200 kilometres away.
                    Wasn't it the go-home factor that took Harbrow to the Gold Coast?
                    Wake me up when we get to heaven, let me sleep if we're going to hell

                    Good luck, for your sake I hope heaven and hell are really there, but I wouldn't hold my breath

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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 65683

                      Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

                      Originally posted by Daughter of the West
                      Wasn't it the go-home factor that took Harbrow to the Gold Coast?
                      A lot of people on WOOF accepted that, but I didn't at all. Half his family come from Mooroopna.

                      As for English, Tom Morris (foxfooty) making up stories again.
                      FFC: Established 1883

                      Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                      • Bornadog
                        WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 65683

                        Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

                        Goddard will not be given another contract - should retire.
                        FFC: Established 1883

                        Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                        • Mofra
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 14822

                          Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          Goddard will not be given another contract - should retire.
                          Gold Coast to approach him?
                          Goddard mentioned he'd like to play on a week or two ago.
                          Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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                          • Axe Man
                            Hall of Fame
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 10925

                            Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

                            Originally posted by Mofra
                            Gold Coast to approach him?
                            Goddard mentioned he'd like to play on a week or two ago.
                            He could be good for Gold Coast, as Hodge has been for Brisbane, if he sets the right example and keeps the finger pointing and pretzel throwing to a minimum.

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                            • westdog54
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 6683

                              Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

                              Originally posted by Axe Man
                              He could be good for Gold Coast, as Hodge has been for Brisbane, if he sets the right example and keeps the finger pointing and pretzel throwing to a minimum.
                              That's just it, you NEVER saw that sort of stuff from a Hodge or Mitchell on the field.

                              Goddard to GC would be a disaster for all concerned.

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                              • Doc26
                                Coaching Staff
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 3087

                                Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

                                Originally posted by Happy Days
                                Do they have anything that we'd want that they would give up.

                                They aren't going to do Gaff straight up, McGovern just re-signed, and I'd rather English than any of their kids/their first/a combination of one of their kids and their first.
                                Gaff’s a free agent so WC have no trade currency with him anyway - if he wants to go to North on big coin that’s where he’ll end up.

                                Geez I couldn’t think of much that WC would consider of interest to us for our Timmy who should be viewed in the Gawn, Grundy category for what he’s showing.

                                McGovern is close to their MVP but our greater need is for a quality ruckman (English), an effective outside midfielder (Yeo) and a quality small forward (Cripps type).

                                I’d say no unless somehow there are strong indications that Tim WILL return. Nothing that I’ve heard of the sort.

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