2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion

[Topdog]

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Billings? Isn’t Sidebottom greatest strength his gut running?

I don’t associate that with Billings.

Billings was always thought to end up as a midfielder. Richardson said that he was too valuable as a forward to move into midfield

[jeemak]

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Here's a little comparison between Shane Edwards and Jack Billings. The latter's poor disposal efficiency highlights a clear difference between the two and so is contested possessions. Of course the other thing to remember is one plays for an ordinary team with a dysfunctional system, whilst the other plays for a top team that is extremely well drilled.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=16&playerStatus2=A&tid2=15&type=A&pid1=3920&pid2=1744&fid1=S&fid2=S

I know stats don't tell the whole story, but they do provide some insight. If Billings tightened up his disposal efficiency and managed to win a bit more of his own ball, then he'd be elite.

[Sedat]

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Billings is going to be an absolute gun. Sure he had an ordinary year, but heaps of players have that. I think he's going to end up playing more midfield time too, he's what we need.

He'd cost us our pick seven. I'd probably do it.

Gee. And there are some who are baulking at pick 7 for Wingard.

Billings is Wingard-lite IMO. Very nice player but I'd prefer to aim higher.

[Greystache]

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Gee. And there are some who are baulking at pick 7 for Wingard.

Billings is Wingard-lite IMO. Very nice player but I'd prefer to aim higher.

The argument of their respective value could be made in relation to their trajectory. Wingard's best footy was 3 years ago and his last 2 years have been largely mediocre. Did he have two ordinary season or is his form line permanent?

Billings is potentially getting better with reasonable upside to come. Their past 2 seasons have been about equal but does Billings plateau or does he become elite? That's the question.

There's some Stringer style questions about Wingard, was elite early in their career but hasn't recaptured that sort of form again. Stringer looks unlikely to again while the jury is out on Wingard.

[jeemak]

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Gee. And there are some who are baulking at pick 7 for Wingard.

Billings is Wingard-lite IMO. Very nice player but I'd prefer to aim higher.

I'd do Wingard for pick 7 in a flash, as well.

Now this is an interesting comparison:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=16&playerStatus2=A&tid2=14&type=A&pid1=3920&pid2=3644&fid1=S&fid2=S

Wingard butchers it worse than Billings.

[comrade]

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I always saw Billings as a Shaun Higgins clone, but then Higgins went to another level and Billings has stagnated.

I wouldn't be offering pick 7 without something very attractive coming back our way.

[jeemak]

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I always saw Billings as a Shaun Higgins clone, but then Higgins went to another level and Billings has stagnated.

I wouldn't be offering pick 7 without something very attractive coming back our way.

Define very attractive?

He's only 23, so still developing his game and body. He'd want to be hitting his straps now though.

[Bornadog]

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The argument of their respective value could be made in relation to their trajectory. Wingard's best footy was 3 years ago and his last 2 years have been largely mediocre. Did he have two ordinary season or is his form line permanent?
There's some Stringer style questions about Wingard, was elite early in their career but hasn't recaptured that sort of form again. Stringer looks unlikely to again while the jury is out on Wingard.

This is what worries me.

[Mofra]

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The argument of their respective value could be made in relation to their trajectory. Wingard's best footy was 3 years ago and his last 2 years have been largely mediocre. Did he have two ordinary season or is his form line permanent?

From ~round 12 onwards this year Wingard's midfield numbers are elite (or very close to it).
He had a very poor start to the year overcoming injury.

[Mofra]

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I always saw Billings as a Shaun Higgins clone, but then Higgins went to another level and Billings has stagnated.

I wouldn't be offering pick 7 without something very attractive coming back our way.

Higgins was an inside mid as a junior so had years of winning his own ball at the lower level, I see him a little differently to Billings.
Higgins kicked 2.2. in the first quarter of a final for us IIRC, it was injury and continuity that were his biggest enemies.

[DOG GOD]

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Kelly, —————>>> gaff, Shiel are the only ones that interest me to part with pick 7.

Wingard more a 12-15 pick and billing’s around 18-19.

[Sedat]

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The argument of their respective value could be made in relation to their trajectory. Wingard's best footy was 3 years ago and his last 2 years have been largely mediocre. Did he have two ordinary season or is his form line permanent?

Billings is potentially getting better with reasonable upside to come. Their past 2 seasons have been about equal but does Billings plateau or does he become elite? That's the question.

There's some Stringer style questions about Wingard, was elite early in their career but hasn't recaptured that sort of form again. Stringer looks unlikely to again while the jury is out on Wingard.

Wingard's first 50 games were as good as anyone in modern history with the possible exception of Judd. Billings hasn't come close to that level, which is not to say he can't or won't in the future. But on what has actually been achieved I would have Wingard as both a much safer bet and a better upside prospect because he's already scaled those heights.

It's entirely possible that Wingard may never reach those heights in the future and that Billings could. i just think Wingard has more gears in his weaponry than Billings.

[wimberga]

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Wingard's first 50 games were as good as anyone in modern history with the possible exception of Judd. Billings hasn't come close to that level, which is not to say he can't or won't in the future. But on what has actually been achieved I would have Wingard as both a much safer bet and a better upside prospect because he's already scaled those heights.

It's entirely possible that Wingard may never reach those heights in the future and that Billings could. i just think Wingard has more gears in his weaponry than Billings.

Just on Billings, is his poor kicking at goal a new thing in the last season or two? My memories of his early seasons were of a highly skilled player who was a smart finisher and a good football brain. Read Nick Dal Santo 2.0.

Am I misremembering? if indeed his goalkicking has always been a struggle then I would be very cool on this, however if it is more form driven and a symptom of playing in a poor team, I could live with us throwing our hat in the ring. A late first rounder feels about right IF that is the case.

[Bornadog]

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Kelly, —————>>> gaff, Shiel are the only ones that interest me to part with pick 7.

Wingard more a 12-15 pick and billing’s around 18-19.

Exactly, otherwise keep pick 7

[Axe Man]

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Just on Billings, is his poor kicking at goal a new thing in the last season or two? My memories of his early seasons were of a highly skilled player who was a smart finisher and a good football brain. Read Nick Dal Santo 2.0.

Am I misremembering? if indeed his goalkicking has always been a struggle then I would be very cool on this, however if it is more form driven and a symptom of playing in a poor team, I could live with us throwing our hat in the ring. A late first rounder feels about right IF that is the case.

His 5 years at AFL level read like this:
2014 14.15
2015 7.6
2016 6.12
2017 23.36
2018 14.19

I know simple goals and behinds don't tell the whole story but it always seems to have been an issue.