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Re: 2018 AFL -Trade Rumours and Discussion
Here is breakdown of some simple analysis from footywire stats of Hawks ( wish had more time to do Geelong as well, but we all know they got most of the players under the old F/S last pick rule, before it was changed to the bidding system)
2004 draft link: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...r=2004&t=N&s=P
You can change the year *2004, to another year to see who they drafted from 2000-2012
Hate to say it but Roos may have a point.
Priority picks Hodge and Roughead- who were massive factors and influence, and probably played a large part in getting all their premierships
Apart from Hodge and Roughhead( priority picks) The hawks have got these players through :
1. smart specific recruiting
2 being a destination club, I just hate how they managed to get these mature players being a destination club:
3 pruning their list ruthlessly.
Mature players
Burgyone (2010)
Gunston (2012)- walked out from Adelaide. He lost the best first year player, as Adelaide withdraw the award to him.
David Hale (2011) - may be a special case as he was delisted from North. A leigh brown playbook special.
Spangher (2013) - delisted by Westcoke
McEvoy( 2014)
Frawley (2013)
Lake (2013)
probably add Guerra and Gilham ( both these players probably were let go by their previous clubs)
They have filled key roles. Wonder how many of them would cope with the "multi-position" player requirement nowadays?
Hawks seem to know how to cut players earlier and not hold list cloggers. Interesting they have let go of players who really have not done much at other clubs:
Jed Anderson, Shane Savage, Lisle, Swirstozoki ( name I cant remeber how to spell) , Litherland etc... Even brent renouf got a premiership out of them and was shipped out once Max Bailey got his knee right! Suckling may be an exception, but I am biased! But his injuries are catching up with him, Suckling had a good 2016.
They had Markovic on their list and in 2006 as a Rookie, and he was cut ( maybe due to injuries)
Their core midfield group of : Hodge, Sewell, Mitchell, Lewis played crucial part in them getting to the GFs.
Hawks also, know how to move on their premiership players when they know they are past their prime:
Xavier Ellis - kept getting injured after 2009, and traded to WC
Mitchell - age, and had to move for younger players on list . May have moved on 1 year too early. But moved to a coaching role in his second year there, and been positive move for him and WC. Seen in WC midfield improvement.
Hodge - good fit for Lions, as they need an onfield coach . He looked fat and unfit early on in season.
Clinton Young - got injured regularly when moved to collingwood, and was delisted 2 years after
Mark Williams - knee problems occurred alot when he moved to essendon
Suckling - sadly he has had Achilles injury for last 3 years. Missed 2016 premiership chance because of it
Lewis - has not done much at Melbourne. Maybe he has blended into the Melbourne club culture - they have not done much.
Clarkson seems to know the depth of his list and where it may end up in whatever particular year, and was prepared to have a rebuild, starting from 2016. They keep unearthing gems late in the draft like Sicily, and probably James worpel.
Summary of their players recruited who have played in their premierships ( I may have missed quite a few, but hopefully it paints the picture)
Hawthorn:
Premierships 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015
Shane Crawford ( sometime in the 1990s)
1999 #48 Chance Bateman
2000 #43 Mark Williams
2001
#1Luke Hodge #1 (319 games) priority pick
traded out trent Croad ( who later came back in 2008)
#16 Rick Ladson
#32 Campbell Brown
#36 Sam Mitchel (329 games)
2003
Rookie Brad Sewell
2004
#2 J.Roughhead (269 games) priority pick
#5 Franklin (284 games + 900 goals)
#7 Jordan Lewis (298 games
#53 Simon Taylor ( 85 games)
Rookie
Clinton Young
2005
#3 Xavier Ellis ( priority pick 120 games)
#14 Grant birchall (245 games)
#18 Max Bailey (43 games)
Rookie:
stephen Gilham
2006 - traded in Brent Guerra
Brent Renouf
2007
#9 Ben McEvoy ( st kilda picked up and Hawks later ontraded 3 years later)
#12 Rioli
#29 Whitecross
#45 Stuart Dew (45 games - won them the 2008 premiership)
2008
#16 Ryan Schoenmakers
#34 Liam Shiels
2009
#29 Jack Gunston ( Adelaide picked - he later walked out)
#46 Ben Stratton
#69 Taylor Duryea
Rookie: Luke Breust
#70 Rookie PRomotion Matthew Suckling
2010
#19 Issac Smith
#66 Puopolo
#82 Rookie promotion Ricky Henderson
2011
Bradley Hill
Rookie: Will Langford
I wonder if there are a few lessons that can be learnt from Hawks Premiership ascendance and list management in last few years ?
They did get lucky with a few players like Mitchell, Isaac Smith, Puopolo( underrated in my opinion) and Richmond being a shambles gifting them Franklin (behind Tambling) .
Here is breakdown of some simple analysis from footywire stats of Hawks ( wish had more time to do Geelong as well, but we all know they got most of the players under the old F/S last pick rule, before it was changed to the bidding system)
2004 draft link: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...r=2004&t=N&s=P
You can change the year *2004, to another year to see who they drafted from 2000-2012
Hate to say it but Roos may have a point.
Priority picks Hodge and Roughead- who were massive factors and influence, and probably played a large part in getting all their premierships
Apart from Hodge and Roughhead( priority picks) The hawks have got these players through :
1. smart specific recruiting
2 being a destination club, I just hate how they managed to get these mature players being a destination club:
3 pruning their list ruthlessly.
Mature players
Burgyone (2010)
Gunston (2012)- walked out from Adelaide. He lost the best first year player, as Adelaide withdraw the award to him.
David Hale (2011) - may be a special case as he was delisted from North. A leigh brown playbook special.
Spangher (2013) - delisted by Westcoke
McEvoy( 2014)
Frawley (2013)
Lake (2013)
probably add Guerra and Gilham ( both these players probably were let go by their previous clubs)
They have filled key roles. Wonder how many of them would cope with the "multi-position" player requirement nowadays?
Hawks seem to know how to cut players earlier and not hold list cloggers. Interesting they have let go of players who really have not done much at other clubs:
Jed Anderson, Shane Savage, Lisle, Swirstozoki ( name I cant remeber how to spell) , Litherland etc... Even brent renouf got a premiership out of them and was shipped out once Max Bailey got his knee right! Suckling may be an exception, but I am biased! But his injuries are catching up with him, Suckling had a good 2016.
They had Markovic on their list and in 2006 as a Rookie, and he was cut ( maybe due to injuries)
Their core midfield group of : Hodge, Sewell, Mitchell, Lewis played crucial part in them getting to the GFs.
Hawks also, know how to move on their premiership players when they know they are past their prime:
Xavier Ellis - kept getting injured after 2009, and traded to WC
Mitchell - age, and had to move for younger players on list . May have moved on 1 year too early. But moved to a coaching role in his second year there, and been positive move for him and WC. Seen in WC midfield improvement.
Hodge - good fit for Lions, as they need an onfield coach . He looked fat and unfit early on in season.
Clinton Young - got injured regularly when moved to collingwood, and was delisted 2 years after
Mark Williams - knee problems occurred alot when he moved to essendon
Suckling - sadly he has had Achilles injury for last 3 years. Missed 2016 premiership chance because of it
Lewis - has not done much at Melbourne. Maybe he has blended into the Melbourne club culture - they have not done much.
Clarkson seems to know the depth of his list and where it may end up in whatever particular year, and was prepared to have a rebuild, starting from 2016. They keep unearthing gems late in the draft like Sicily, and probably James worpel.
Summary of their players recruited who have played in their premierships ( I may have missed quite a few, but hopefully it paints the picture)
Hawthorn:
Premierships 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015
Shane Crawford ( sometime in the 1990s)
1999 #48 Chance Bateman
2000 #43 Mark Williams
2001
#1Luke Hodge #1 (319 games) priority pick
traded out trent Croad ( who later came back in 2008)
#16 Rick Ladson
#32 Campbell Brown
#36 Sam Mitchel (329 games)
2003
Rookie Brad Sewell
2004
#2 J.Roughhead (269 games) priority pick
#5 Franklin (284 games + 900 goals)
#7 Jordan Lewis (298 games
#53 Simon Taylor ( 85 games)
Rookie
Clinton Young
2005
#3 Xavier Ellis ( priority pick 120 games)
#14 Grant birchall (245 games)
#18 Max Bailey (43 games)
Rookie:
stephen Gilham
2006 - traded in Brent Guerra
Brent Renouf
2007
#9 Ben McEvoy ( st kilda picked up and Hawks later ontraded 3 years later)
#12 Rioli
#29 Whitecross
#45 Stuart Dew (45 games - won them the 2008 premiership)
2008
#16 Ryan Schoenmakers
#34 Liam Shiels
2009
#29 Jack Gunston ( Adelaide picked - he later walked out)
#46 Ben Stratton
#69 Taylor Duryea
Rookie: Luke Breust
#70 Rookie PRomotion Matthew Suckling
2010
#19 Issac Smith
#66 Puopolo
#82 Rookie promotion Ricky Henderson
2011
Bradley Hill
Rookie: Will Langford
I wonder if there are a few lessons that can be learnt from Hawks Premiership ascendance and list management in last few years ?
They did get lucky with a few players like Mitchell, Isaac Smith, Puopolo( underrated in my opinion) and Richmond being a shambles gifting them Franklin (behind Tambling) .
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