Proactive Poaching

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and Tony McGuinness, Kym Koster, Murray Rance, Jim Edmond, Neil Cordy

We also had Tregenza deal done but lost it when the crows came in.

[azabob]

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BT fairly sure Sam Day has re-signed.

[chef]

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BT fairly sure Sam Day has re-signed.

Yeah he has. Was mentioned during the Brisbane game on the weekend.

[bulldogtragic]

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BT fairly sure Sam Day has re-signed.

He has. The original post (not in quotes) was two or three months ago. The point I was making there was if they sign all their other mature talls in Sam Day, Rory Thompson & Peter Wright then there's a chance GCS might consider a very, very good offer to let him go. They signed them all as you point out. They might still refuse to listen to trade offers anyway, but now they know their spine is contracted and if they fear he walks next year for less, maybe take a very good offer now. Or not.

But 'A King Martin Trade' would cost us a heap. A couple of mid first rounders and someone like Wallis would be a minimum.

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He has. The original post (not in quotes) was two or three months ago. The point I was making there was if they sign all their other mature talls in Sam Day, Rory Thompson & Peter Wright then there's a chance GCS might consider a very, very good offer to let him go. They signed them all as you point out. They might still refuse to listen to trade offers anyway, but now they know their spine is contracted and if they fear he walks next year for less, maybe take a very good offer now. Or not.

But 'A King Martin Trade' would cost us a heap. A couple of mid first rounders and someone like Wallis would be a minimum.

But would he? Boyd was the current number one pick and didn't cost us that much. First round and a player, a first round and a third round or risk having a pissed off played on your list just waiting for his contract to end so he can walk.

[bulldogtragic]

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But would he? Boyd was the current number one pick and didn't cost us that much. First round and a player, a first round and a third round or risk having a pissed off played on your list just waiting for his contract to end so he can walk.

Our best player and contracted captain, and a top 10 pick. But in A King Martin Trade, I mean for Ben King & Jack Martin. Say we can juggle things with GWS that involves our 2020 1st swapped. For argument sake, say those picks are 12 & 14. I'd expect GCS to demand both those picks and a mature player. I'm not sure Williams would be enough. They'd want a best 22 midfield leader, Swallow said that today. They chased Wally last year, maybe they nominate him? If there's a lot of Vic sides chasing King, the price will rise too.

[azabob]

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Surely if it’s between Martin and King we take King every day of the week?

[bulldogtragic]

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Surely if it’s between Martin and King we take King every day of the week?

Both if they're gettable. The question is more picking two talls from King, Tomlinson or Keath.

Then from 2 smalls from Martin, Hill, Tippa, Langdon (his disposal is too ordinary after watching him the last few weeks)

King, Tomlinson (both are flexible talls)
Martin, Tippa (Hill at $800,000 is huge & Papley rumours seemed to have gone quiet, so Tippa)

Fit them all in the cap with a few list moves out.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Both if they're gettable. The question is more picking two talls from King, Tomlinson or Keath.

Then from 2 smalls from Martin, Hill, Tippa, Langdon (his disposal is too ordinary after watching him the last few weeks)

King, Tomlinson (both are flexible talls)
Martin, Tippa (Hill at $800,000 is huge & Papley rumours seemed to have gone quiet, so Tippa)

Fit them all in the cap with a few list moves out.

With what the afl article about next years draft and points needed for a ademy prospects, does this hinder or help our flexibility to trade this year BT?

[bulldogtragic]

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With what the afl article about next years draft and points needed for a ademy prospects, does this hinder or help our flexibility to trade this year BT?

Major, major opportunity this year and good for flexibility. The article says other clubs want to get high up (like our first) and many clubs don't rate later picks next year so may let them go a little easier/cheaper.

We are selling our first rounder in a sellers market. Yey!
We are buyers of mid to later rounders in a buyers market. Yey!

Next year it's better not to think of draft pick numbers, but to think of a draft points number, say 2,500 points.

If we can sell off good picks, trading down in the first round and maybe second, depending on the flows back could still deliver us 2,500 points. So all is locked in. But if we used these future trades to help us secure better top end picks this year, then we win twice using the system to full measure. We go up the order this year, or more likely gain multiple firsts this year, and still get all that talent next year with 2,500 points made up of a cache of mid range picks.

The timing is perfect.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Major, major opportunity this year and good for flexibility. The article says other clubs want to get high up (like our first) and many clubs don't rate later picks next year so may let them go a little easier/cheaper.

We are selling our first rounder in a sellers market. Yey!
We are buyers of mid to later rounders in a buyers market. Yey!

Next year it's better not to think of draft pick numbers, but to think of a draft points number, say 2,500 points.

If we can sell off good picks, trading down in the first round and maybe second, depending on the flows back could still deliver us 2,500 points. So all is locked in. But if we used these future trades to help us secure better top end picks this year, then we win twice using the system to full measure. We go up the order this year, or more likely gain multiple firsts this year, and still get all that talent next year with 2,500 points made up of a cache of mid range picks.

The timing is perfect.

This is Power's time to make his bones then.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

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Major, major opportunity this year and good for flexibility. The article says other clubs want to get high up (like our first) and many clubs don't rate later picks next year so may let them go a little easier/cheaper.

We are selling our first rounder in a sellers market. Yey!
We are buyers of mid to later rounders in a buyers market. Yey!

Next year it's better not to think of draft pick numbers, but to think of a draft points number, say 2,500 points.

If we can sell off good picks, trading down in the first round and maybe second, depending on the flows back could still deliver us 2,500 points. So all is locked in. But if we used these future trades to help us secure better top end picks this year, then we win twice using the system to full measure. We go up the order this year, or more likely gain multiple firsts this year, and still get all that talent next year with 2,500 points made up of a cache of mid range picks.

The timing is perfect.

I've got a feeling you're gonna have to have a Bex and a good lie-down come trade time BT if you're to make it through, given all the possible machinations that could play out

[Dry Rot]

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Suns don't need/want more picks and first year players, they need younger versions of Hodge NB inside mids.

You all want King? Fine but he is under contract.

If the Suns ask in return for Wallis and Libba, what's your call?

[Dry Rot]

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BTW, Hawks fans think that I Smith is definitely coming to us. Also some less believable rumours abut Gunstan.

[azabob]

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Suns don't need/want more picks and first year players, they need younger versions of Hodge NB inside mids.

You all want King? Fine but he is under contract.

If the Suns ask in return for Wallis and Libba, what's your call?

DR, Suns will take picks again. They can’t help themselves.