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  • Bornadog
    WOOF Clubhouse Leader
    • Jan 2007
    • 65574

    Re: Hawthorn racism review

    Originally posted by Jeanette54
    Problem is, who?

    From today's Sun:
    North Melbourne chair Sonja Hood made clear on the weekend she believed Clarkson was innocent, saying on Saturday: “I’m really confident in his side of the story and I’m sure we’ll all get the chance to hear that through the AFL’s process.
    Of course Clarkson would say that
    FFC: Established 1883

    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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    • Missing Dog
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2007
      • 8501

      Re: Hawthorn racism review

      There's now talk that the Indigenous families that provided testimony of their experiences may not necessarily participate in the investigation.

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      • Jeanette54
        Senior Player
        • Oct 2009
        • 1220

        Re: Hawthorn racism review

        Originally posted by bornadog
        Of course Clarkson would say that
        Clarkson didn't. It was Sonja Hood, placing her own credibility on the line, which I doubt she would do lightly.
        The truth will set you free,
        but first it will piss you off. ... Gloria Steinem.

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        • Grantysghost
          Bouncing Strong
          • Apr 2010
          • 18709

          Re: Hawthorn racism review

          Originally posted by Swoop
          There's now talk that the Indigenous families that provided testimony of their experiences may not necessarily participate in the investigation.
          Swept.Rug.

          Of course they're worried, it's that victim blaming shaming thing that causes many rape victims to remain quiet.
          BT COME BACK!​

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          • Missing Dog
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8501

            Re: Hawthorn racism review

            You can see why they would have trepidation about this whole process. Historically, investigations like this have not been favourable and when you start to hear about lawyers involved, you can see how their testimony will be disputed and their personal reputations questioned.

            "Why trust this person who has done x and x in their lives as opposed to this upstanding member of the community?"

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 65574

              Re: Hawthorn racism review

              Originally posted by Jeanette54
              Clarkson didn't. It was Sonja Hood, placing her own credibility on the line, which I doubt she would do lightly.
              She would have spoken to Clarkson and that is the message he conveyed.
              FFC: Established 1883

              Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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              • hujsh
                Hall of Fame
                • Nov 2007
                • 11715

                Re: Hawthorn racism review

                Originally posted by Jeanette54
                Clarkson didn't. It was Sonja Hood, placing her own credibility on the line, which I doubt she would do lightly.
                Backing their man in. Unless he has something very convincing it's pretty disappointing from North.
                [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                • Missing Dog
                  WOOF Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 8501

                  Re: Hawthorn racism review

                  You could nearly write the findings already. Clarkson was present in some meetings but was not aware of the specific advice that was being given to the players.

                  He is both shocked and appalled by the findings and had he been aware, he would have intervened to support the player and their family.

                  He would like to condemn the actions of so and so who was acting in a manner contrary to both Clarkson and Hawthorn's values.

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                  • Rocco Jones
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 6920

                    Re: Hawthorn racism review

                    Originally posted by Swoop
                    You could nearly write the findings already. Clarkson was present in some meetings but was not aware of the specific advice that was being given to the players.

                    He is both shocked and appalled by the findings and had he been aware, he would have intervened to support the player and their family.

                    He would like to condemn the actions of so and so who was acting in a manner contrary to both Clarkson and Hawthorn's values.
                    You are basically the future.

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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 65574

                      Re: Hawthorn racism review

                      Originally posted by Swoop
                      You could nearly write the findings already. Clarkson was present in some meetings but was not aware of the specific advice that was being given to the players.

                      He is both shocked and appalled by the findings and had he been aware, he would have intervened to support the player and their family.

                      He would like to condemn the actions of so and so who was acting in a manner contrary to both Clarkson and Hawthorn's values.
                      Millions will be spent on superfluous investigation - lawyers making money for nothing
                      FFC: Established 1883

                      Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                      • Grantysghost
                        Bouncing Strong
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 18709

                        Re: Hawthorn racism review

                        Originally posted by Swoop
                        You could nearly write the findings already. Clarkson was present in some meetings but was not aware of the specific advice that was being given to the players.

                        He is both shocked and appalled by the findings and had he been aware, he would have intervened to support the player and their family.

                        He would like to condemn the actions of so and so who was acting in a manner contrary to both Clarkson and Hawthorn's values.
                        Insert patsy here. The well used move by power since forever.

                        Watch Gaslit with Julia Roberts and Sean Penn re Watergate.

                        Also the movie Gaslighting with Ingred Bergman is a classic!
                        BT COME BACK!​

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                        • Jeanette54
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 1220

                          Re: Hawthorn racism review

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          Millions will be spent on superfluous investigation - lawyers making money for nothing
                          Perhaps they are defending someone who may be innocent, which is hardly "nothing".

                          I personally don't know if they are innocent or guilty of the acts ascribed to the coaches. But neither does anyone else, outside those immediately involved.

                          It seems however that the lynch mob have already made their call. And they may, or may not, be correct.
                          The truth will set you free,
                          but first it will piss you off. ... Gloria Steinem.

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                          • Grantysghost
                            Bouncing Strong
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 18709

                            Re: Hawthorn racism review

                            Originally posted by Jeanette54
                            Perhaps they are defending someone who may be innocent, which is hardly "nothing".

                            I personally don't know if they are innocent or guilty of the acts ascribed to the coaches. But neither does anyone else, outside those immediately involved.

                            It seems however that the lynch mob have already made their call. And they may, or may not, be correct.
                            I agree, I don't think anyone here has said they're guilty.

                            For me logically, I ask myself initially why would you make this up? Is there multiple credible sources? Has there been an independent investigation?

                            I'm pretty satisfied with my answers to those questions to make an initial judgement but certainly respect the process and that these guys may be completely innocent.
                            BT COME BACK!​

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                            • EasternWest
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 9892

                              Re: Hawthorn racism review

                              Originally posted by Swoop
                              You could nearly write the findings already. Clarkson was present in some meetings but was not aware of the specific advice that was being given to the players.

                              He is both shocked and appalled by the findings and had he been aware, he would have intervened to support the player and their family.

                              He would like to condemn the actions of so and so who was acting in a manner contrary to both Clarkson and Hawthorn's values.
                              Originally posted by Rocco Jones
                              You are basically the future.
                              Swoop's a prescient present in our presence.
                              "It's over. It's all over."

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                              • Missing Dog
                                WOOF Member
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 8501

                                Re: Hawthorn racism review

                                Originally posted by Jeanette54
                                Perhaps they are defending someone who may be innocent, which is hardly "nothing".

                                I personally don't know if they are innocent or guilty of the acts ascribed to the coaches. But neither does anyone else, outside those immediately involved.

                                It seems however that the lynch mob have already made their call. And they may, or may not, be correct.
                                I think you're right and that in itself is the point. Despite the process about to be undertaken, I don't think anyone will come out with any clear answers similar to the Essendon supplement saga.

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