Hawthorn racism review

[Bornadog]

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I think you're right and that in itself is the point. Despite the process about to be undertaken, I don't think anyone will come out with any clear answers similar to the Essendon supplement saga.

Although we do know Hawthorn had an independent investigation and three people were named by three families.

[1eyedog]

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There's now talk that the Indigenous families that provided testimony of their experiences may not necessarily participate in the investigation.

They don't need to their testimony is detailed in the report. If anything they may provide evidence out of court but I can't see them getting marched up in front of KCs to defend themselves.

Would be horrific for them if the allegations are true.

[Bornadog]

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They don't need to their testimony is detailed in the report. If anything they may provide evidence out of court but I can't see them getting marched up in front of KCs to defend themselves.

Would be horrific for them if the allegations are true.

What have you heard in the community 1Eye? There must be some very angry people.

[1eyedog]

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What have you heard in the community 1Eye? There must be some very angry people.

Nothing specific BAD other than the broader Aboriginal community is really hurting. I know of some really troubling mental health issues that have flowed on from this.

Regardless of what is true and what's not true and how this all ends these allegations have highlighted to me just how big the gap between Indigenous Australia and the rest actually is. Social Media against the alleged victims has been utterly barbaric.There's just so much distrust, paranoia and fear amongst the communities. I don't know how we reconcile this it already seems we have worked so hard on reconciliation but then something like this happens again and then something happens again and we are in this perpetual cyclical process of one step forward two steps back.

It's really hard to forget and forgive what has happened in the past when the same things keep happening, albiet on a less destructive scale. Relationship building with Aboriginal people is developed on respect and trust so it's hard to repair and build a foundation when these two critical components are continually deconstructed.

I dunno, the community is taking it really hard and while they naturally believe their own (as Betts has stated), there's a sense of wait and see and a sense of foreboding for what the outcome will mean either way.

[Bornadog]

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Nothing specific BAD other than the broader Aboriginal community is really hurting. I know of some really troubling mental health issues that have flowed on from this.

Regardless of what is true and what's not true and how this all ends these allegations have highlighted to me just how big the gap between Indigenous Australia and the rest actually is. Social Media against the alleged victims has been utterly barbaric.There's just so much distrust, paranoia and fear amongst the communities. I don't know how we reconcile this it already seems we have worked so hard on reconciliation but then something like this happens again and then something happens again and we are in this perpetual cyclical process of one step forward two steps back.

It's really hard to forget and forgive what has happened in the past when the same things keep happening, albiet on a less destructive scale. Relationship building with Aboriginal people is developed on respect and trust so it's hard to repair and build a foundation when these two critical components are continually deconstructed.

I dunno, the community is taking it really hard and while they naturally believe their own (as Betts has stated), there's a sense of wait and see and a sense of foreboding for what the outcome will mean either way.

Thank you for that, just as I thought.

I see there is an article in HUN about racism in the AFL:

Racism rife in ‘pretty much the whole AFL system’

‘Is his white girlfriend moving over? Are his family members caught up in jail?’ A former liaison officer details the shocking way Indigenous players have been treated. SUBSCRIBE for the full story.

I am hoping all this is also uncovered in the investigation, not just the way Hawks have acted.

What happens with the information is the next question.

[jeemak]

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Nothing specific BAD other than the broader Aboriginal community is really hurting. I know of some really troubling mental health issues that have flowed on from this.

Regardless of what is true and what's not true and how this all ends these allegations have highlighted to me just how big the gap between Indigenous Australia and the rest actually is. Social Media against the alleged victims has been utterly barbaric.There's just so much distrust, paranoia and fear amongst the communities. I don't know how we reconcile this it already seems we have worked so hard on reconciliation but then something like this happens again and then something happens again and we are in this perpetual cyclical process of one step forward two steps back.

It's really hard to forget and forgive what has happened in the past when the same things keep happening, albiet on a less destructive scale. Relationship building with Aboriginal people is developed on respect and trust so it's hard to repair and build a foundation when these two critical components are continually deconstructed.

I dunno, the community is taking it really hard and while they naturally believe their own (as Betts has stated), there's a sense of wait and see and a sense of foreboding for what the outcome will mean either way.

How can we reconcile and move forward if we don't actually admit to our past? By admit to our past I'm talking all the way back to day one.

Being in complete and utter denial of our past willfully or otherwise, means that collectively we can't or won't admit to these issues as they exist today.

[bulldogtragic]

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Mark Robinson dropped a story, this extract is interesting:


A Hawks coach, who the Herald Sun has chosen not to name, told the reviewers: “If you dare question their methods, you were frozen out.”

“I knew this day would come,’’ the insider told the authors, according to the report.

The whistleblower coach, who is not Indigenous, “reached out’’ to the authors of the report who up to that point had only interviewed Indigenous people in order to corroborate parts of the testimonies from players and their partners.

“He went on to say Evans, Clarkson, Fagan and Burt operated the football department like The Russian Mafia,” the report said.



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That former Hawthorn assistant coach (whoever he is) pulls no punches, and was proactive in backing up the player allegations.

[Grantysghost]

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Mark Robinson dropped a story, this extract is interesting:


A Hawks coach, who the Herald Sun has chosen not to name, told the reviewers: “If you dare question their methods, you were frozen out.”

“I knew this day would come,’’ the insider told the authors, according to the report.

The whistleblower coach, who is not Indigenous, “reached out’’ to the authors of the report who up to that point had only interviewed Indigenous people in order to corroborate parts of the testimonies from players and their partners.

“He went on to say Evans, Clarkson, Fagan and Burt operated the football department like The Russian Mafia,” the report said.



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That former Hawthorn assistant coach (whoever he is) pulls no punches, and was proactive in backing up the player allegations.

Crikey.

Need someone on record or it's all useless.

[jazzadogs]

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Crikey.

Need someone on record or it's all useless.

A mate in the football industry was surprised Evans wasn't named in the report.

[josie]

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Thanks Bulldogtragic. I meant to click thanks and was so flabbergasted I hit the like button by mistake.

Like wow. Try and gloss over this investigation with a “we cannot corroborate testimonies AFL” and I think they’ll regret it.

Every club should be reviewed in my opinion. Guessing most if not all clubs will have skeletons in the closet and they need to be exposed and acknowledged.

[Dry Rot]

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They're probably shitting themselves about players possibly not wanting to be there......

Charlie Cameron, come on down south.

[Bornadog]

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Charlie Cameron, come on down south.

We should be in his ear.

[Rocket Science]

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Backing their man in. Unless he has something very convincing it's pretty disappointing from North.

Speaking of people eagerly backing their man in ...



Brisbane-bound midfielder Josh Dunkley says he is confident Chris Fagan will be his coach at the Lions next year as he denied a culture issue was at play in his second trade request in two years. Dunkley will move to Brisbane if the Lions can broker a trade with the Western Bulldogs, but says after 18 goals in his outstanding 2022 season he is prepared to play mid-forward in an onball unit that includes Lachie Neale and Hugh McCluggage.

The Herald Sun revealed last week Dunkley would sign a six-year deal worth $750,000 per year, and Dunkley said he had genuinely been unsure about his decision until last Monday when he officially asked for a trade.

He told the Herald Sun at the TAB Spring Racing launch that while Fagan could not go into details about the accusations from First Nations players about conduct in his time at Hawthorn, Dunkley believes will would coach the Lions next year.

“It was a tough decision and something I had to think about a lot,” he said of his trade request.

“Weighing up my life here (in Melbourne) and in Adelaide with my partner Tippah and my life in Brisbane as well. So at the end of the day I feel like it’s a good lifestyle decision and they have an exciting list up there.

“Fages was really good. He is really disappointed and everyone knows that. It’s been on the public record that he has been struggling with it, but he’s a great person and we didn’t talk too much about it. He just wanted to reassure me that he feels like he hasn’t done too much wrong and with the situation that is going on, it’s hard to talk about.

“It definitely didn’t make me second guess. Everyone has backed him in and all the news reports have backed him in, and from what I have had to do with him in such little time he’s such a good human being and he’s really cared for me, and I am looking forward to that relationship and getting up and meeting him.”

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Good lord.

If Pickering wants to truly earn his cut he might like to start by recommending Josh stick to sponsor endorsements until the process concludes.

[hujsh]

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If Pickering wants to truly earn his cut he might like to start by recommending Josh stick to sponsor endorsements until the process concludes.

Oh hey Picks. Yeah nah I just had a great idea. Yeah figured I'd tell everyone how nice Fages was to me. Yeah bet he'll appreciate it. Probably mention how everyone's supporting him too to show how tapped in I am to the everyman. Might bump a few K onto the next sponsors deal

...what's that? Shut the f----

...yeah okay I'll start now Picks. Sorry Picks.

[jeemak]

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It really shows he's as dull as a box of hammers.