Ricky Nixon joins the Conga line

[Ghost Dog]

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^^^^^

That's all great, but they are not YOUR children.

With all due respect to parents, who have a lot of balls to juggle these days.

[Maddog37]

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oh yeah.....

Gold!

[Twodogs]

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We are not talking about children. Teenagers.
In many cultures, Aboriginal Australian and others, it's the uncle that initiates the son, not the father. In some cases, not all, parents don't have the perspective needed to deal with teens. So we end up with a bunch of young people that cry out for discipline and don't get it. IMO.

I read a book about that exact topic just lately. Very interesting stuff. It was a fairly common practice in medieval England and France too. I'm an only child though-it wouldnt be possible to ship my kids off even if I wanted too!

With all due respect to parents, who have a lot of balls to juggle these days.

There's an old African proverb that runs something like "It takes a village to raise a child"

[Sockeye Salmon]

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There's an old African proverb that runs something like "It takes a village to raise a child"

That's the second time I've heard that quote this week.

[Missing Dog]

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Folks this sort of stuff where females are deemed to be less responsible or less accountable for sexual misadventures doesn't stop when they're 18 years old. It goes on until they're 80 years old!

Many years ago two female students at Melbourne Uni accused a senior male staff member of some sort of sexual innuendo (NOT rape, AFAIR he was accused of tugging one of their bra straps). They were never able to be identified, by Court Order. The accused's name was made public. Many years later they admitted they made it up. The guy's career was ruined. Their identity is secret.

Recently there was the case where a drunk male and drunk female had sex. She later cried rape. The bloke was convicted because being drunk meant that consent to have sex could not be given by the woman. Never mind that the bloke was drunk too..

Then there was the Theophanous case. Accused of rape by a woman living overseas who was never identified. The case was thrown out, but her identity protected. Theophanous career is mud.

Seb Ryall , ex Melbourne Victory soccer player who was 17 at the time had to deal with sex charges made by a 13 year girl ( he said she looked 16). He was sacked as captain of the young Socceroos and suspended by the FFA for bringing the game into disrepute. Later the charges were dropped.

I think the St Kilda players were luck they were footballers. If these guys were NOT footballers, this girls word would have been enough to have them arrested and put in jail pending a court appearance without any evidence. Don't believe it: have a read of Victoria's new Domestic Violence laws, you'd surprised what is considered as "violence" and how a female accusation is enough to end up in a jail cell.

As dumb as these footballers were, this girls is doing what she is because our society and laws say she can. Guys these days need to be smarter and fully educated about the law on these things.

[Bornadog]

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Folks this sort of stuff where females are deemed to be less responsible or less accountable for sexual misadventures doesn't stop when they're 18 years old. It goes on until they're 80 years old!

Many years ago two female students at Melbourne Uni accused a senior male staff member of some sort of sexual innuendo (NOT rape, AFAIR he was accused of tugging one of their bra straps). They were never able to be identified, by Court Order. The accused's name was made public. Many years later they admitted they made it up. The guy's career was ruined. Their identity is secret.

Recently there was the case where a drunk male and drunk female had sex. She later cried rape. The bloke was convicted because being drunk meant that consent to have sex could not be given by the woman. Never mind that the bloke was drunk too..

Then there was the Theophanous case. Accused of rape by a woman living overseas who was never identified. The case was thrown out, but her identity protected. Theophanous career is mud.

Seb Ryall , ex Melbourne Victory soccer player who was 17 at the time had to deal with sex charges made by a 13 year girl ( he said she looked 16). He was sacked as captain of the young Socceroos and suspended by the FFA for bringing the game into disrepute. Later the charges were dropped.

I think the St Kilda players were luck they were footballers. If these guys were NOT footballers, this girls word would have been enough to have them arrested and put in jail pending a court appearance without any evidence. Don't believe it: have a read of Victoria's new Domestic Violence laws, you'd surprised what is considered as "violence" and how a female accusation is enough to end up in a jail cell.

As dumb as these footballers were, this girls is doing what she is because our society and laws say she can. Guys these days need to be smarter and fully educated about the law on these things.

All those cases you quote are only a minority compared to the real sexual harassment that still takes place in the work place as well as in society in general. Since the DJ girl spoke up, the number of cases of sexual harassment has grown.

I think a lot of men still don't realize that by doing certain things (as you mention e.g. the bra pulling) can be construed as sexual harassment, especially dumb footballers.

[chef]

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All I ever do, from 7.30 until 8pm is teach 17 year olds.

People who makes the laws don't have kids at Frankston High whatever.
I've seen scrag fights, girls doing unspeakable things to others, knowing full well they cannot be touched, while they taunt teachers who stand back, helpless as they know touching a girl is out.
. They taunt and they laugh about it.
I've seen good teachers been lined up quite deliberately with the intention of getting them sacked, by a certain type of teen for no good reason other than they were asked to stop using their mobile in class. Some accusation is made, so the teachers quit or leave the profession because of the power weilded through facebook or other. Some of them REALLY know the system and how to use it.

All this playing of the 'child' card ignores certain facts and people not around those of this generation find the call to force a tougher hand harsh. It's not Andrew Bolte you're talking to here, member of various left wing associations etc.
But as a poster says. It's really about Rick Nixon and adults who use their pull in the sporting world to create an environment. The lure of the light.

I never thought I would come across as I sound here but there you have it. I see what I see because of my work and IMO she's a minor party to this mess ( the law says otherwise ) , and not a child but ....IMO .....feel free to disagree.

^^^^^

That's all great, but they are not YOUR children.

^^This.

[Missing Dog]

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@Bornadog "All those cases you quote are only a minority compared to the real sexual harassment that still takes place in the work place as well as in society in general. Since the DJ girl spoke up, the number of cases of sexual harassment has grown.

I think a lot of men still don't realize that by doing certain things (as you mention e.g. the bra pulling) can be construed as sexual harassment, especially dumb footballers. . "


Be that as it may, it doesn't change the fact that there is a double standard here. If the accusations aren't proven in Court- as they weren't in the DJ case, (and BTW it remains unknown AFAIR if the accusations were real and could be proven, as she settled out of Court for a huge sum of money) the accused loses even if they win, whereas the accuser can remain anonymous, forever.

As for the punishment fitting the crime, well if you lose limbs, eyes and are otherwise permanently disabled at work you get less than the DJ complainant got for (allegedly) being harrassed, possibly for being asked out more than once!

And you right, the DJ case will no doubt encourage more to come forward-why wouldn't you when theres hundreds of thousands of dollars there for the taking, and even if you fail in Court, there are no consequences.

In trying to stamp out harrassment, I can see the pendulum swinging too far..

[GVGjr]

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All, I think this subject has gotten too far off track for what is largely a football forum.
It's become a social discussion more so than a football one.
I think it's best that we close this now.