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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    Re: Stick with code, says WADA

    Originally posted by Ghost Dog
    I've chatted to a few Essendon supporters. My Dad is one of them.
    They seem a little bit ignorant of the facts around their own club's programs. This is a good lesson.
    You can let the passion of your colours blind you in the way of reality. Hope every club can learn from this thing.

    Leigh Matthews comes out and says he isn't proud of the player he was, despite his success.
    This is another good lesson. That old cliche of growth over result. Do we really believe that a premiership is 'ultimate' success, to be gotten no matter what?
    I've never held that view, and that's why I love the Dogs like I do. Sure, we don't play the last day in September, but for the most part we are honest, clean and doing it the tough hard way.

    Now, I could be wrong — and if I was, it would be goodbye. I wouldn't stand for an Essendon or a St Kilda.

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    • Remi Moses
      WOOF Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 14785

      Re: Stick with code, says WADA

      Interesting, the weapon interview hasn't been aired and Essendon are denying everything he says.
      Cult like love for Hird, it's getting Charles Manson like

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      • The Adelaide Connection
        Coaching Staff
        • Jan 2009
        • 2805

        Re: Stick with code, says WADA



        7:30 Report kicked off a big week in the supplements saga tonight. Some interesting viewing.

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        • Ghost Dog
          WOOF Member
          • May 2010
          • 9404

          Re: Stick with code, says WADA

          Thanks for posting that Adelaide Connection. The way the drape the story in dark shadows, and edit it, with the music is quite enjoyable really!
          You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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          • LostDoggy
            WOOF Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 8307

            Re: Stick with code, says WADA

            As interesting as the Hird cult is the media's obsession with outing the golden boy. Not that I disagree—he's looking increasingly guilty—but it's still interesting nevertheless.

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            • KT31
              WOOF Member
              • Jul 2008
              • 5454

              Re: Stick with code, says WADA

              Thanks for posting TAC, hopefully Hird and company will get what is deserved.
              It's better to die on our feet than live on our knees.

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              • Ghost Dog
                WOOF Member
                • May 2010
                • 9404

                Re: Stick with code, says WADA

                It seems very odd to me that calve's blood turns out to be legal if injected, but not if taken on a drip. What's the difference??
                You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                • Sedat
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 11439

                  Re: Stick with code, says WADA



                  Awesome, so this magical letter of consent that Essendon has been hanging their hat on for AOD is actually a presentation from the manufacturer of the substance. Not only that, their idea of due diligence is to take the recommendations from a Californian Gym Owner that everything was hunky dory with regard to AOD. You can't make up this level of incompetence if you tried
                  "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                  • bulldogtragic
                    The List Manager
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 34289

                    Re: Stick with code, says WADA

                    Forget cheating, bringing the game into disrepute... They should be charged with "stupidity". Both for doing this to the game and their public handling of everything.
                    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                    • bulldogtragic
                      The List Manager
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 34289

                      Re: Stick with code, says WADA

                      The Australian today, Patty Smith: (no link, it's my subscription via the app)

                      HIRD LOVES HIMSELF MORE THAN THE CLUB


                      THIS has been James Hird's year of shame. A season where he put his own reputation ahead of the club that he had served so wonderfully, so skilfully for 253 matches. And a club that cherished and revered him in return. Loved him.

                      Last year, sport scientist Stephen Dank was pushed. In February, high-performance manager Dean Robinson was stood down and then finally last week he walked away altogether.

                      Chief executive Ian Robson left the club in May and on Saturday night president David Evans, brutally torn apart by the ASADA investigation, resigned. Effective immediately.

                      Yet Hird, the man who took full responsibility for the highly suspicious supplements program in February, remains. It makes no sense, nor is it fair or appropriate.

                      Hird is coach of the club. Historically, it is by title a role of great accountability. Hird's reputation only enhanced the power of the position and the obligations that attend it. Yet he is numb to all this.

                      He spoke quietly and with a sad voice after the big loss to Hawthorn on Friday. "The sooner this thing is over, the better, because this has affected so many people's lives that if it's not over very quickly, it's going to affect people's lives permanently. It has to finish because it's not fair on so many people," Hird said.

                      "This week's another week of six months of living through an ordeal that people shouldn't have to live through. I don't want to go into personal instances because that will all come out . it's just got to finish, it has to finish.

                      "There's a belief the players haven't taken anything illegal in our football club. Our belief is still strong in that and a report that comes out in two weeks, I'm not sure of the exact date, and when it does, we're all hopeful, we're all praying that that's the case because our belief is that we haven't done anything illegal and we are not drug cheats."

                      Hird's post-game reflection came too late for Evans. He could neither physically nor mentally give any more to the club that his father Ron starred for as a full forward and then served as chairman. He also chaired the AFL Commission. David Evans wanted to leave a legacy of which his father could be proud. He has done that in the dignified and sensitive manner he has steered the club through this wretchedness, but late on Saturday night his will shuddered to a stop.

                      It could have, and should have, been different. Hird should have been true to his word when he said at a news conference on February 5 that he took full responsibility. It was after Essendon announced it had called in ASADA and the AFL to investigate a supplements program, supported by Hird, that may have breached WADA protocols.

                      At that very point Hird should have stepped to the side. He was the coach, it was his staff administering the supplements. He encouraged it. He did not know that the program was in danger of breaking WADA rules -- in fact he wanted to be assured that it wasn't -- but he authorised it nonetheless. There would always be heat in this story for it is a scandal unprecedented in AFL history. But had Hird stood down in February then it would have been a slow burn and not the wildfire it has been all season.

                      If Hird took succour in the support of fans, then he was deluded. Supporters have no sense of proportion, no sense of right or wrong when anything involves their football teams. When it comes to judgment and football, supporters are mostly knuckleheaded.

                      While Hird remained coach he would always draw intense scrutiny from the media, more than if he had walked away and waited for the inquiry to run its course. Not only did he arrogantly and selfishly stay on as coach, he hired people to manage the fallout. Last week the Hird camp went after AFL chief Andrew Demetriou.

                      Hird's camp leaked evidence alleging Demetriou had phoned Evans to alert him to an inquiry into his club by the Australian Crime Commission. Evans had convened a meeting of Essendon officials on the eve of the club reporting its supplement issue to ASADA. Demetriou had been briefed by the ACC the previous week about the growing use of drugs in sport, including the AFL, but was given no specific information about any club. The ACC briefing was strictly confidential.

                      Of itself the leak of Hird's memory of what took place at the meeting mattered little. ASADA had discarded the coach's version and accepted the Demetriou and Evans testimony that Demetriou did not tip off the club. ASADA did not even bother to contact Demetriou and the ACC had no issue with the conversation. It was a non-story.

                      That was until Hird -- at a news conference later that day -- chose not to bow to the version of the phone call offered by his chairman and the AFL chief. He appeared to deliberately doubt the word of Evans and Demetriou. A scheduled board meeting that night was suddenly described as a "crisis meeting" and Demetriou angrily denied he had breached ACC confidentiality.

                      While Hird inexplicably went after Demetriou, he ended up also publicly doubting the word of his chairman. It left Evans's loyalties stretched -- he is a friend to both Hird and Demetriou. A PR trick had turned into a disaster for the coach. Hird does not have spin doctors working for him but bloodied butchers.

                      Essendon is in a critical state. Evans, greatly respected throughout football and business, has gone. The club has an acting chief executive. The ASADA report may well charge players with drug-related breaches.

                      The AFL will no doubt punish the club for the ravaging of the game's image. The Essendon players wilted after only 20 minutes against Hawthorn, possibly fatigued -- finally -- from a fight they never started. And still Hird arrogantly clings to his right to the witches hats.

                      It appears Hird simply cannot see the reality of the circumstances that have surrounded him since February 5.

                      It is hardly wild opinion to think Hird will be remembered as a champion who loved himself more than his club, more than his friends. Certainly more than he did David Evans.
                      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                      • Ghost Dog
                        WOOF Member
                        • May 2010
                        • 9404

                        Re: Stick with code, says WADA

                        Thanks for posting that. He looked very ordinary on 7.30 last night.

                        Hey unfair! St Kilda have had their yearly scandal early. Ahmed Saad, the bloke with the most annoyingly long run up (or walk up ) for goal has tested positive to something. Darn, I hope they do something else in the post season to give me to read about.
                        You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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                        • FrediKanoute
                          Coaching Staff
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 3859

                          Re: Stick with code, says WADA

                          Smith is spot on in his analysis of the Golden Boy. There has been not responsibility, no accountability, no regret. This is bigger than tanking, salary cap breaches and draw inequities, because all of those are central to the competition. Drugs/supplements are an international scourge in world sport and you can't help but contrast Essendon's approach to that of Asafa Powell who has returned a positive test. In the latters case there was an acknowledgement of a wrong doing etc. All we have from Essendon is denial. It makes me ill.

                          I have said it previously and I will say it again, the lengths that Essendon have gone to to cheat demand a commensurate sanction, which for mine has to be the deregistration of the club from the competition.

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                          • Remi Moses
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 14785

                            Re: Stick with code, says WADA

                            The contrast between the athletes and Essendon is stark.
                            Hird said he's responsible for what happens in the footy dept.
                            End of Story.
                            All his done since and his hired help is defend himself and his tarnished image .
                            Pretty pathetic really!!

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                            • LostDoggy
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8307

                              Re: Stick with code, says WADA

                              Originally posted by Remi Moses
                              The contrast between the athletes and Essendon is stark.
                              Hird said he's responsible for what happens in the footy dept.
                              End of Story.
                              All his done since and his hired help is defend himself and his tarnished image .
                              Pretty pathetic really!!
                              Well, when you're a has-been in charge of a mediocre football list, it's all you've got.

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                              • Ghost Dog
                                WOOF Member
                                • May 2010
                                • 9404

                                Re: Stick with code, says WADA

                                Zahrakis, the only EFC player to refuse to join the supplements program at Essendon. What moral courage, what fortitude....oh...wait....he's scared of needles.
                                You don't develop courage by being happy in your relationships every day. You develop it by surviving difficult times and challenging adversity. ― Epicurus

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