Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

[anfo27]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

also i wanted to have a crack at the person who stated that Matt McGuire is better than Morris. Dale Morris is an all Australian and would be a walk up start at the saints. Matt McGuire is too slow & injury prone. Morris is a star who with Lake holds our defense together.

[Twodogs]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

not one post has mentioned the fact that Scott Clayton no longer works for the Dogs, he is now the head guy for GC17. He made a massive howler when trading Farren Ray last year. When Farren declared he wanted to go, at the top of my head i could think of 3 clubs that could use his run (Fremantle, Sydney & St.Kilda) when he stated he wanted to stay in Melbourne it was obvious to me there was only one destination he could go. What i cant understand is why we didn't do a deal with the saints that sent Ray to the Saints for a 3rd or 4th round pick, with the understanding that the saints would not put a bid in for Ayce Cordy. With that scenario both sides win. The saints get Ray for practically nothing & keep their 2nd round pick, while we get Cordy & another first round pick. i'm watching this from the outer & i can see it, we pay these guys to make these decisions. It's a no-brainer.

North would have nominated Ayce as well.

[anfo27]

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The process doesn't work like that. The saints were the only club willing to bid a 1st round pick. A club doesn't bid a 1st round pick because another club hasn't, that doesn't make sense. If we made that deal then lots of clubs would have bid their 2nd round pick. Its not as if the clubs sit at a table and ask each other who is going to put a bid in.

[bulldogtragic]

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It's an old thread that JH40 bumped but lets get one thing straight, Clayton didn't trade Ray.

We got what we could from the Saints

What we got from the Aints led to Liam Jones. And as per my signature, i'm stoked to him him at the club.

[comrade]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

The process doesn't work like that. The saints were the only club willing to bid a 1st round pick. A club doesn't bid a 1st round pick because another club hasn't, that doesn't make sense. If we made that deal then lots of clubs would have bid their 2nd round pick. Its not as if the clubs sit at a table and ask each other who is going to put a bid in.

How do you know that this doesn't happen? The footy industry is pretty insular - they all talk.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

The process doesn't work like that. The saints were the only club willing to bid a 1st round pick. A club doesn't bid a 1st round pick because another club hasn't, that doesn't make sense. If we made that deal then lots of clubs would have bid their 2nd round pick. Its not as if the clubs sit at a table and ask each other who is going to put a bid in.

Showing some ignorance. If North and Adelaide indicate they are going to pick him and so do the Saints, then the Saints simply nominate him. Every single club before St Kilda need not nominate him. There are many plugged in people on this site and you might do well to respect the information you have been given. You are wrong on many issues you raised. We got Liam Jones and Clayton didn't trade Ray (Ray threatened to go to the PSD and we would have got nothing!!!) other teams would have nominated Ayce if the Saints didn't.

[anfo27]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

The whole point of making trades is to leave your club with the best possible outcome and in this case Clayton did us no favours, he should of thought out of the box. I could write a whole essay on Clayton's stuff ups but it would take too long.

[anfo27]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

if Clayton didn't trade Ray then who did? because that is Scotty Clayton's job.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

The whole point of making trades is to leave your club with the best possible outcome and in this case Clayton did us no favours, he should of thought out of the box. I could write a whole essay on Clayton's stuff ups but it would take too long.

Mate, Ricky O left us high and dry by using the media to tell the world Farren was leaving even if it meant for nothing in the PSD. Other clubs exploited this situation and offered fringe players who were of no value to us. Knowing we were only using 3 picks in the draft, not Clayton but Eade, Fantasia and the brains trust enginered the St Kilda trade to up our 3rd pick to a highish second rounder, in which we got a very, very talented kid. It was the best available outcome. And it had nothing to do with Clayton. Google Fantasia's comments from trade week, you will see he and Eade were working through the details.

[bulldogtragic]

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if Clayton didn't trade Ray then who did? because that is Scotty Clayton's job.

Clayton's job is recruiting. Eade and Fantasia were the one's at trade week doing the wheeling and dealing.

[anfo27]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

all the saints have to do is say they will bid for Cordy and then when it comes down to it they dont. we are right after the saints in the draft pecking order and therefore Cordy would slip down to the 2nd round. it wouldn't be the first time 2 teams have done a secret deal under the table.

[bulldogtragic]

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This is my last reply to you, you are living in a land of make believe. You are very wrong.

[anfo27]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

i hear what everyone is saying but i find it hard to believe that Scotty didn't have a hand in it. He was always there when trades were done in previous years.

[GVGjr]

Re: Scott Clayton - Recruiting guru or an inflated reputation?

i hear what everyone is saying but i find it hard to believe that Scotty didn't have a hand in it. He was always there when trades were done in previous years.

The thread title is very specific, but to make it a bit clearer for you it's about recruiting (drafting) players not trades. Please stay on the topic.

[LostDoggy]

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Can't believe my single bump, has gone way off topic & into something i feel is an attack on the man himself.