The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

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  • Mofra
    Hall of Fame
    • Dec 2006
    • 14883

    Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

    Originally posted by bulldogtragic
    Initially, upon his immediate elevation he gets an immediate pay rise. Beyond that I'm assuming we can pay him what we want within the cap.
    We do have the freedom to allocate our $500k marketing allowance in whichever way we want though?
    We can rookie him, immediately upgrade him then use marketing allowance to bump up his salary.

    Get creative
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    • Bulldog4life
      WOOF Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 9607

      Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

      Originally posted by bulldogtragic
      I know it's not ideal, but..... Say.... We get busy and we need Matty's spot. We offer him a rookie spot and he tells all clubs he will only play with us. We pick him up, he takes Wallis' spot on the senior list as an upgraded rookie for the entire season. We in a sense, move Wallis time injured to the rookie list owing that Boyd is obviously better than a rookie.

      I know it's not ideal, I know GVGjr has said previously it affects his legacy, but if this scenario played out and we still have another full season of Matty Boyd as well as trades in we want, is this not a solution where we have our cake and eat it too? (If JMac really needs another spot on the list to do his magic. Also we can leave him on as a rookie for a second year if his form warrants it and he's light years ahead of Goodes & Adcock. 300 games is achievable.)
      Love your thinking BT but I don't think he can do that. Once in the draft it is open slather.

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34316

        Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

        Originally posted by Bulldog4life
        Love your thinking BT but I don't think he can do that. Once in the draft it is open slather.
        He can to scare others off, but other clubs can grab him that's true. But it's a risk for them in the first round of the rookie draft.
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        • westbulldog
          Senior Player
          • Sep 2009
          • 1781

          Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

          Originally posted by azabob
          He is in the squad, not the team yet.
          I think it is more than likely he will be not offered a contract.
          An All-Australian nominee in 2015 and 2016 and you don't think he is worthy of at least another year ?

          From : http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-3...f-the-year-afl

          MATTHEW BOYD (Western Bulldogs)
          While his backline teammates dropped around him, Boyd had a brilliant season averaging 27.9 possessions at almost 80 per cent efficiency, and was ranked sixth for rebound 50s.

          Who do you think in 2017 would better Matt Boyd's record of the last 2 years ??

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          • Bornadog
            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
            • Jan 2007
            • 66280

            Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

            Stevo reporting Essendon and Melbourne has some interest in Koby.
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            • Mofra
              Hall of Fame
              • Dec 2006
              • 14883

              Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

              Originally posted by bornadog
              Stevo reporting Essendon and Melbourne has some interest in Koby.
              Interesting, as there were Essendon rumours flying around earlier.
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              • bulldogtragic
                The List Manager
                • Jan 2007
                • 34316

                Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                Originally posted by bornadog
                Stevo reporting Essendon and Melbourne has some interest in Koby.
                Time for a bidding war then!!
                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                • Twodogs
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 27654

                  Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                  Originally posted by westbulldog
                  An All-Australian nominee in 2015 and 2016 and you don't think he is worthy of at least another year ?

                  From : http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-3...f-the-year-afl

                  MATTHEW BOYD (Western Bulldogs)
                  While his backline teammates dropped around him, Boyd had a brilliant season averaging 27.9 possessions at almost 80 per cent efficiency, and was ranked sixth for rebound 50s.

                  Who do you think in 2017 would better Matt Boyd's record of the last 2 years ??
                  They are outstanding numbers. He even appeared to crank it up a bit as the season went on.
                  They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                  • macca
                    Coaching Staff
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 2352

                    Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                    we should refused to deal with them and bring gcs to up their bids. create buyer moment

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                    • Twodogs
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 27654

                      Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                      Originally posted by macca
                      we should refused to deal with them and bring gcs to up their bids. create buyer moment
                      And West Coast.
                      They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                      • westbulldog
                        Senior Player
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 1781

                        Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                        Originally posted by westbulldog
                        An All-Australian nominee in 2015 and 2016 and you don't think he is worthy of at least another year ?

                        From : http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-3...f-the-year-afl

                        MATTHEW BOYD (Western Bulldogs)
                        While his backline teammates dropped around him, Boyd had a brilliant season averaging 27.9 possessions at almost 80 per cent efficiency, and was ranked sixth for rebound 50s.

                        Who do you think in 2017 would better Matt Boyd's record of the last 2 years ??
                        I/C: Marcus Bontempelli (Western Bulldogs), Matthew Boyd (Western Bulldogs), Dustin Martin (Richmond), Luke Parker (Sydney)

                        An emerging star and a tribute to the skill, resilience and courage of Matt Boyd...well done both.

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                        • KT31
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 5454

                          Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                          Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                          Minson is shot. No basic contract, no rookie list spot. I love what you given to this club, but father time has caught you. Prudden too, possible rookie list but I wouldn't.

                          Jong & Stevens still haven't signed. Clubs are interested. The one good game must be weighed against the many average. So if the price is right, traded.

                          Honeychurch may seek opportunities and a trade elsewhere. No point holding him back if 2017 will be the same.

                          That's my near enough to end list, no more rolling around for me. I'd look hard at Vickery as a free agent (Minson's spot), look generally at Boomer (replacing a small) and take 3 picks into the draft hopefully all within 30 with the above trades. If we need a genuine tall forward such as Cloke, Black or McStay (etc) then Matty Boyd may be in trouble with Roarke & Williams looking good at the level.
                          Would be pretty poor and embarrassing to delist an All Australian.
                          It's better to die on our feet than live on our knees.

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                          • Missing Dog
                            WOOF Member
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 8501

                            Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                            If he does not get a contract it is an absolute insult to a great servant of this club, he is a gun. There is no-one who is capable of taking his place, those who are stating that Williams can slot in are completely delusional, he is at least 2 years off the pace, he does not yet have the capabilities of simple positioning correctly, we need Boyd for the next 12 months at least, let the young ones have another year of learning, make them study what he does then be ready for the upgrade to seniors. If he does not get a contract it will rank as one of the more ridiculous decisions this club has made and I have seen quite a few since 1960 when I was standing on the scoreboard hill. We must sign him.

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                            • bulldogtragic
                              The List Manager
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 34316

                              Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                              Originally posted by KT31
                              Would be pretty poor and embarrassing to delist an All Australian.
                              He wasn't an All Australian when I posted this. And to be fair, if you go through every single posters comments you'll read about the gun Howard we picked up was, how we can't trade Liam Jones, how Matt Fuller was a way better selection than Ben Brown, how great Ayce Cordys & Jarrad Grants final season was, how good Gryphne was as captain and how Brendan McCartney was our next premiership coach.
                              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                              • bulldogtragic
                                The List Manager
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 34316

                                Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                                Originally posted by Jam Donuts
                                If he does not get a contract it is an absolute insult to a great servant of this club, he is a gun. There is no-one who is capable of taking his place, those who are stating that Williams can slot in are completely delusional, he is at least 2 years off the pace, he does not yet have the capabilities of simple positioning correctly, we need Boyd for the next 12 months at least, let the young ones have another year of learning, make them study what he does then be ready for the upgrade to seniors. If he does not get a contract it will rank as one of the more ridiculous decisions this club has made and I have seen quite a few since 1960 when I was standing on the scoreboard hill. We must sign him.
                                I get a sense that's aimed at me. So... What I said was 'Roarke & Williams were looking good at the level'. No more, no less. That means they're great depth to our best HBFs such as Bob, Wood, JJ, Suckling, Biggs etc. . That doesn't mean they can replace most or every aspect of Boyd's current output. So whom ever this poster was that said 'Williams can slot in for Boyd' may be as you say, completely delusional, but I don't think it does a service to others on here to label them as such.
                                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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