The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

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  • Bulldog Joe
    Premiership Moderator
    • Jul 2009
    • 5518

    Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

    Can't see any scenario that keeps Minson on the list.
    The one I am adding is Hamling. He seems way off and out of favour.
    Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured

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    • bulldogtragic
      The List Manager
      • Jan 2007
      • 34316

      Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

      Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
      Can't see any scenario that keeps Minson on the list.
      The one I am adding is Hamling. He seems way off and out of favour.
      That's an interesting call. The thought crossed my mind but would he be the first 'Best First Year Player' winner to be dumped in his second year?
      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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      • Ozza
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Mar 2008
        • 6410

        Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

        Originally posted by bulldogtragic
        Half Way, 11 H&A games down and 11 H&A games to come. Interesting to see who needs to improve or go move.

        Minson is still to see a call up despite dominating the VFL. Unfortunately, 0% chance of being around on the senior list next year.
        Prudden. His knee injury came at the wrong time, but we need to make room so I have him 0% chance too.

        Hamilton?? His draft mates have all dominated VFL &/or AFL so far. Do we need to make a hard call or let him go home?

        Clay Smith?? It's been over 12 months and he's still listed as an indefinite LTI. Don't know what to make of it?

        Trades: Jong, Honeychurch ??

        Morris, Boyd & Morris look like they can all play on now. Perhaps they do.
        If Hrovat has done his shoulder today then his trade value is way under worth trading.

        4-5 moved on.
        Hard to argue with the logic there.

        I think with Hamilton & Prudden - if we delisted them, I'd be hopeful that we could rookie both of them. We rookie'd Roarke Smith off a smaller body of work than these two, particularly Prudden, who showed some good signs in senior footy once he got a run at it.

        Last year Bevo said that it was a shame that they had to delist players, because he'd like to keep all of them. I think it will be a shame to have to delist a few this year, but that's how it goes.

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        • ledge
          Hall of Fame
          • Dec 2007
          • 14185

          Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

          I suppose it depends if you see better players available.
          No good delisting a player if you haven't got a better replacement.
          Our list is quite deep now and the young ones will only get better.
          Hamling could probably go as Zaine Cordy comes on.
          Bring back the biff

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          • Mantis
            Hall of Fame
            • Apr 2007
            • 15339

            Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

            Originally posted by ledge
            I suppose it depends if you see better players available.
            No good delisting a player if you haven't got a better replacement.
            Our list is quite deep now and the young ones will only get better.
            Hamling could probably go as Zaine Cordy comes on.
            But you need to drop off a mimimum of 3 regardless... Besides Minson there is a case to keep on everyone else.

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            • bulldogtragic
              The List Manager
              • Jan 2007
              • 34316

              Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

              Originally posted by Mantis
              But you need to drop off a mimimum of 3 regardless... Besides Minson there is a case to keep on everyone else.
              This. It's a good problem to have, but it's a tough problem to have. I think 4 changes is what is needed in my view. A free agent or trade could make that possibly 5. Then that's harder again if all our oldies stay on next year which they could.

              As for rookie-ing a player we delisted, has that really worked very well? I can think of Hahn, Goodes, Pearce off the top of my head.
              Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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              • Bornadog
                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                • Jan 2007
                • 66280

                Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                Originally posted by Mantis
                But you need to drop off a mimimum of 3 regardless... Besides Minson there is a case to keep on everyone else.
                The three I would drop at this stage are:

                1. Minson
                2. Prudden (rookie him)
                3. Hamilton (rookie him)

                Other possibles:

                Hrovat
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                • Mantis
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 15339

                  Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                  Originally posted by bornadog
                  The three I would drop at this stage are:

                  1. Minson
                  2. Prudden (rookie him)
                  3. Hamilton (rookie him)

                  Other possibles:

                  Hrovat
                  So what do you do with our existing rookies?

                  Adcock is a likely out, but what of Lynch, Goetz & R.Smith?

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                  • Twodogs
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 27654

                    Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                    I don't know the answer to Mantis' question. It's a bloody good question though. What are we going to do to keep Goetz and Lynch and Smith?
                    They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.

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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 66280

                      Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                      Originally posted by Mantis
                      So what do you do with our existing rookies?

                      Adcock is a likely out, but what of Lynch, Goetz & R.Smith?
                      Good question - drop Adcock and perhaps Goetz who hasn't impressed. Have to weight up between them all. Perhaps Prudden goes, but I am only looking from the outside, so I don't know how all these guys are rated.
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                      • comrade
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 17944

                        Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                        I think there will be a few that will warrant some interest at the trade table (Hrovat & Honey) which will free up spots.

                        Minno is a definite, Prudden doesn't offer enough to warrant a spot after a reco, Clay Smith is another I'd move on regrettably (Dunkley is effectively a like for like).

                        Depending on the rest of the year, I'd look at keeping Lynch & Goetz on the rookie list and upgrading Rourke. I'd move Adcock on (possibly Prudden replaces him).

                        Our current list definitely has the least amount of dead set cloggers that I can recall.
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                        • lemmon
                          Bulldog Team of the Century
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 6508

                          Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                          Not sure what Prudden has shown that deserves a rookie spot. Unfortunate that he did his knee but realistically Bailey Williams has shown more in one season as did Roarke playing off the back flank

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                          • bulldogtragic
                            The List Manager
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 34316

                            Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                            If Minson & Goetz go, there's only Camhead on the list. One or worse, both, get injured and we are in strife.
                            Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                            • Bornadog
                              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 66280

                              Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                              Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                              If Minson & Goetz go, there's only Camhead on the list. One or worse, both, get injured and we are in strife.
                              We can always draft.
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                              • Rocco Jones
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jun 2008
                                • 6924

                                Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

                                It's going to be very hard.

                                Tried to trade but keep if we can't- Honeychurch, Hrovat
                                Delist from senior list- Minson
                                Move onto rookie list- C.Smith, Prudden (I would just delist him but I think we will 'do the right thing')
                                Delist from rookie list- Adcock, Goetz (if rumours about his work rate are true. I know ruckmen take awhile but I have found him very convincing).

                                I like Hamilton.

                                It means 3-5 national draft picks depending on if we can trade Hrovat and/or Honeychurch.
                                0 rookie picks but all good if we rate our list that much. Really the lists are becoming more and more just one (maybe soon see end of the rookie list). Rookie picks are just 100+ ND picks.

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