The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

[ledge]

Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

I love Caleb but he isn't as hard as Honeychurch either . Caleb is clean and extremely good inside with hands and feet but if we need hard it's honeychurch, he will go in and hit hard its not something I relate Caleb with.

[Sedat]

Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

my team is much the same as chef's and Stevens starts.

He provides great depth to our midfield rotation and is another big bodied player who attacks the contest fiercely. He starts in my finals line up for sure even if Murph and Crameri are available. thought we missed him badly last year v Adelaide.

Stevens and Jong are the two interesting players for mine. They would undoubtedly have trade currency, and the fast progress of a Dunkley is providing us with cover in this area. A lot will depend on Clay Smith's recovery - if he can come back to near his best them we have even more coverage/depth in the big bodied mid area, and could then look to trade Stevens and Jong with more comfort. Tough call on both, as they bring some good skills to the table, but they both also have deficiencies in their game that haven't really improved much over the years (Jong's ability to actually win enough ball for a mid and Stevens with his decision-making/hands in tight).

[bulldogtragic]

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Stevens and Jong are the two interesting players for mine. They would undoubtedly have trade currency, and the fast progress of a Dunkley is providing us with cover in this area. A lot will depend on Clay Smith's recovery - if he can come back to near his best them we have even more coverage/depth in the big bodied mid area, and could then look to trade Stevens and Jong with more comfort. Tough call on both, as they bring some good skills to the table, but they both also have deficiencies in their game that haven't really improved much over the years (Jong's ability to actually win enough ball for a mid and Stevens with his decision-making in tight).

I'd guess and think Jong would have a few suitors so I'd entertain it. Obviously Stevens would too, but I'd want to see something pretty good for him before parting with him.

[Sedat]

Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

I'd guess and think Jong would have a few suitors so I'd entertain it. Obviously Stevens would too, but I'd want to see something pretty good for him before parting with him.

They are both good players (Stevens probably in the very good category), so I'd be happy enough to keep both if that is how the MC view them. But like you I see suitors for both that could pay overs - no point talking about Clay Smith or Hrovat as trade potential as these guys have virtually no trade value right now, and they are better on our list from a depth perspective (assuming they are cherry ripe physically) as opposed to a couple of late speculative picks/rookies. At their best they are clearly AFL quality players in any event.

[bulldogtragic]

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They are both good players (Stevens probably in the very good category), so I'd be happy enough to keep both if that is how the MC view them. But like you I see suitors for both that could pay overs - no point talking about Clay Smith or Hrovat as trade potential as these guys have virtually no trade value right now, and they are better on our list from a depth perspective (assuming they are cherry ripe physically) as opposed to a couple of late speculative picks/rookies. At their best they are clearly AFL quality players in any event.

Agree on Hrovat & Smith they're going nowhere now as their value to us is more than a trade will give us.

Last year Brisbane got Tom Bell & pick 41 and gave Carlton pick 21 and 60. Jong & Bell have nearly identical stat records other than games played so the example is close. Brisbane could well do with a young leader and big quick midfielder who can play forward. If Brisbane offered up pick 21 & 60 for Jong and 41 I'd take that in a heart beat.

[ledge]

Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

If you look what we got in the 20s last year I would trade Jong for just 21.

[KT31]

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If you look what we got in the 20s last year I would trade Jong for just 21.

We picked Caleb up at 46, I wouldn't hesitate for pick 21.

[bulldogtragic]

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If you look what we got in the 20s last year I would trade Jong for just 21.

Yes, but no, but yes, but no. The Bell trade was two parts Bell for pick 21 and pick 41 for pick 60. So Brisbane traded up from the fourth round (60) into the third round (41) (19 pick upgrade) to balance pick 21 for Bell being overs.

Jong for 21 would be too much our way. If we had to trade pick 41 down to pick 60 to get a pick 21 for Jong then that'd be a win-win. As I say, in comparing careers Bell & Jong are virtually identical in output. So a comparative trade would be around the mark.

[comrade]

Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

Get the feeling Jong is rated lower than Bell in general. Jong is in and out of the side, Bell was considered one of Carlton's better talents over the last 2 years.

Would be shocked if Jong returned us a pick in the top 30.

[bulldogtragic]

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Get the feeling Jong is rated lower than Bell in general. Jong is in and out of the side, Bell was considered one of Carlton's better talents over the last 2 years.

Would be shocked if Jong returned us a pick in the top 30.

Carlton's better talents 2014-2015??? Compared to Bootsma, Lucas, Tutt, Jones, injured Kruezer, Fields, holman, Johnson, Warnock, etc, etc. On that measure my nan was one of Carlton's better talents!

Seriously though, Jong has shown just as much in the VFL and in AFL in a stronger side last year and this year. Bell was gifted games ahead of sub standard VFL players at Carlton during them same period. The Bell trade got Brisbane a 19 pick upgrade so it's not just a pick in the top 30. I think Jong in a weak midfield like Brisbane's is the best chance he's got to have a long career and reach the peak of his talent which could be good with them. Or so we tell them...

[lemmon]

Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

Would Brisbane or other clubs do the same deal again? Bell is a solid citizen but it's pretty clear they overpaid

[jeemak]

Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

If you look what we got in the 20s last year I would trade Jong for just 21.

I highly doubt anyone would offer 21 for Jong, but if they did, they can have him for it.

[1eyedog]

Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

Bell is a much better player than Jong. Neither of them can kick though which is a big problem. Bell can do most things pretty well.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016

I'd like to see us cut into the list again.

Prudden, Hamilton, Minson as certainties.

MBoyd (retired?), Clay (if another long term injury occurs) as possibilities and trade one of Hrovat/Honeychurch.

The first three are self explanatory. Prudden is injury prone and shown only glimpses, Hamilton is too far behind the rest, Minson's time has come. The next group is dependent on circumstances, but Boyd may well retire and the likelihood of Clay getting a free run at it is probably minimal. I'd trade only one of Hrovat/Honeychurch - whoever we can get the most for.

I'd listen to offers for Stevens, Jong and Roughead.

Goetz/Adcock gone from the RL.

[BulldogBelle]

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Agree that the list should be cut into again.

If we do not chop those who will just not make the grade then we will suffer the cost of 'lost opportunities', an opportunity to get an A-grader who will help our winning percentage.

Agree that Prudden and Hamilton should go.

As regards to Minson we don't seem to have a ruck to replace him in the VFL side at the moment. Might have to keep Minson as young Goetz seems to be a fair bit off the pace. Either that or take the risk on some new blood.

Boyd is an interesting one. I have been saying for the last few years that he and Moz should retire because they are likely to become injury prone with calf problems and lose form. But it seems that both of them are playing as good now as ever. I'd keep Boyd on unless something happens. They must be all taking youth pills.


Should delist or trade Hrovat, as he just doesn't seem to be skilled enough.

Honeychurch should also go, not skilled enough. Let's see how he goes from now until the end of the year. Maybe he will find some pace and aggression.

If we could con somebody into taking Jong for an under 30 pick, I'd go that too.