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  • GVGjr
    Moderator
    • Nov 2006
    • 44193

    Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

    Originally posted by G-Mo77
    Can we hold him back of we want to retain him? I thought he'd have to be elevated or delisted and re rookied.
    We can do two things, wait until the draft and if he close to be the best player available with our last selection we can pick him then or wait until the preseason draft and add him back in then. You run the risk of someone else selecting him but that shouldn't be an issue.
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    • Doc26
      Coaching Staff
      • Sep 2009
      • 3087

      Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

      Originally posted by bornadog
      Trengove doesn't cost us a pick does he?

      Let's say our first pick = a draftee, plus Trengove, Impey, Crozier and Smith and assume Stringer stays. Only one new young recruit.
      I'm not sure if I'm reading you correctly BD but I believe that we are obliged to pick a 'minimum' of 3 players in the National Draft but can include an elevated rookie such as Roarke but traded in players are not part of the min. of 3.

      For example, Hawthorn and Melbourne only had 2 live picks in the previous ND but that is because they upgraded from their rookie lists Kade Stewart and Josh Wagner respectively.

      So my reading would see a min of 2 draftees and Roarke IF upgraded.
      Last edited by Doc26; 30-09-2017, 11:09 PM.

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      • LostDoggy
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 8307

        Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

        So I've seen a few people predicting that we might only use two live picks this draft?

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        • G-Mo77
          Bulldog Team of the Century
          • Apr 2007
          • 9873

          Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

          Originally posted by Hobdog
          So I've seen a few people predicting that we might only use two live picks this draft?
          I hope not. Dal needs more than that to play with.

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          • GVGjr
            Moderator
            • Nov 2006
            • 44193

            Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

            Originally posted by Hobdog
            So I've seen a few people predicting that we might only use two live picks this draft?
            I hope not, that means we are upgrading Roarke Smith and bringing in the balance via trades.

            I'd even be tempted to break a contract or two for undeserving types to clear the players who aren't committed.

            Murphy, M.Boyd, Hamilton, Honeychurch and Crameri aren't enough changes in my opinion.

            We can possibly assume Smith, Trengove and Crozier are additions leaving just 2 picks at the draft.
            It's a far better draft than that.
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            • The Doctor
              Coaching Staff
              • Jan 2007
              • 3702

              Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

              Originally posted by GVGjr
              I'd even be tempted to break a contract or two for undeserving types to clear the players who aren't committed.

              Murphy, M.Boyd, Hamilton, Honeychurch and Crameri aren't enough changes in my opinion.
              Who are the undeserving types, in your opinion, in line for the chop then?
              Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket

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              • GVGjr
                Moderator
                • Nov 2006
                • 44193

                Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                Originally posted by The Doctor
                Who are the undeserving types, in your opinion, in line for the chop then?
                I'll wait until we hear who we cut from the list first but there are 4 or 5 that didn't measure up last year and we will know soon enough if any of them are up for trades.
                Also the moment the boys come back from holidays we will get a good idea which ones are committed. It will be a brave boy or an ignorant one that rocks up to training in less than acceptable condition.
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                • hujsh
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 11820

                  Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                  Originally posted by GVGjr
                  I'll wait until we hear who we cut from the list first but there are 4 or 5 that didn't measure up last year and we will know soon enough if any of them are up for trades.
                  Also the moment the boys come back from holidays we will get a good idea which ones are committed. It will be a brave boy or an ignorant one that rocks up to training in less than acceptable condition.
                  So Clay comes to mind pretty quickly as tradeable and down on form from last year
                  [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                  • GVGjr
                    Moderator
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 44193

                    Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                    Originally posted by hujsh
                    So Clay comes to mind pretty quickly as tradeable and down on form from last year
                    I think it's fair to say that he arrived back from his break in not great condition and struggled most of the season. He wouldn't want to come back from a break in less than ideal condition again.
                    I'm not sure about his trade value though.
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                    • Bornadog
                      WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 65975

                      Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                      Originally posted by Doc26
                      I'm not sure if I'm reading you correctly BD but I believe that we are obliged to pick a 'minimum' of 3 players in the National Draft but can include an elevated rookie such as Roarke but traded in players are not part of the min. of 3.

                      For example, Hawthorn and Melbourne only had 2 live picks in the previous ND but that is because they upgraded from their rookie lists Kade Stewart and Josh Wagner respectively.

                      So my reading would see a min of 2 draftees and Roarke IF upgraded.
                      ok, I didn't know that.
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                      • Doc26
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 3087

                        Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                        Originally posted by bornadog
                        ok, I didn't know that.
                        I've just thrown the following together, as much for my own interest, using your indicated INs to see how it might work from a slot perspective.

                        It is an example only, assuming a heavy clean out of uncontracted players, plus Jake:

                        Robert Murphy = Save for minimum ND pick 1
                        Matthew Boyd = Save for minimum ND pick 2
                        Declan Hamilton = Save for Roarke Smith Rookie Upgrade (In essence our minimum 3rd ND pick)
                        Mitch Honeychurch = Save position for Jackson Trengove trade
                        Stewart Crameri = Save position for Hayden Crozier trade, or extra ND pick or another unspecified trade
                        Jake Stringer = Save position for J Impey trade, or extra ND pick or another unspecified trade
                        Tom Campbell = Save for extra ND pick or unspecified player trade (e.g S Martin)

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                        • hujsh
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 11820

                          Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                          Originally posted by GVGjr
                          I think it's fair to say that he arrived back from his break in not great condition and struggled most of the season. He wouldn't want to come back from a break in less than ideal condition again.
                          I'm not sure about his trade value though.
                          Might be more a case of finding him an alternate home to free up spaces on the list.
                          [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                          • GVGjr
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 44193

                            Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                            Originally posted by Doc26
                            I've just thrown the following together, as much for my own interest, using your indicated INs to see how it might work from a slot perspective.

                            It is an example only, assuming a heavy clean out of uncontracted players, plus Jake:

                            Robert Murphy = Save for minimum ND pick 1
                            Matthew Boyd = Save for minimum ND pick 2
                            Declan Hamilton = Save for Roarke Smith Rookie Upgrade (In essence our minimum 3rd ND pick)
                            Mitch Honeychurch = Save position for Jackson Trengove trade
                            Stewart Crameri = Save position for Hayden Crozier trade, or extra ND pick or another unspecified trade
                            Jake Stringer = Save position for J Impey trade, or extra ND pick or another unspecified trade
                            Tom Campbell = Save for extra ND pick or unspecified player trade (e.g S Martin)
                            Thanks Doc, if we assume that Smith gets an upgrade and we keep players with contracts then it's just two picks in what I feel is a reasonably strong draft although not one with a lot of KPP. We have once again showed faith in a list that seriously under performed and I don't believe that is the right approach.

                            Assuming our interest in Impey and Crozier is around the mark and Trengove is locked in it means we probably have to cough up picks 26 and 39 to acquire them leaving us pick 9 and something much later on in the draft for our two selections.

                            J-Mac needs to get to work and open up some more spots for us.





                            If we have the salary cap room then I'd be prepared to break a contract .
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                            • LostDoggy
                              WOOF Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8307

                              Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                              I think you need to be really careful about scenarios where popular clubmen are discarded under contract. Think it could be really detrimental to the culture.

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                              • G-Mo77
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9873

                                Re: Who would you have JMac target this year?

                                Originally posted by Hobdog
                                I think you need to be really careful about scenarios where popular clubmen are discarded under contract. Think it could be really detrimental to the culture.
                                I don't know exactly what went on behind the scenes this season but our culture has come into question a lot. Maybe some of the "boys" getting sent to another club wouldn't hurt overall.

                                I think we need at least 4 picks in the draft on top of any Free agent/trade we may make.

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